Quoted from CICERO

Carter spoke as if he knew what Jesus would say about gays getting marriage licenses issued by the government.
  Correct?
NO. He never mentioned licenses of any kind.
Gay marriage is a state license correct?
NO, there is no "gay marriage license, only marriage licenses.
Carter is claiming to know how Jesus would react over the government issuing licenses
Again, NO. Carter never mentioned licenses... but you did.

Carter never mentioned licenses... but you did.


Jimmy Carter on Jesus/Gay Marriage:

Quoted Text

"I believe Jesus would (approve). I don't have any verse in scripture. ... I believe Jesus would
approve gay marriage, but that's just my own personal belief. I think Jesus would encourage
any love affair if it was honest and sincere and was not damaging to anyone else, and I don't
see that gay marriage damages anyone else," he said.

Just curious...When citing the fall of the Roman Empire, do you consider it a good thing or bad thing?  Is the fall of the Ottoman Or Prussian Empire good or bad?  How about the British Empire?

Quoted from Box A Rox

Carter never mentioned licenses... but you did.


Jimmy Carter on Jesus/Gay Marriage:

Yes, but you are removing the context of his response.  He was responding in the context of the recent Supreme Court decision to issue marriage licenses to gay couples.  As you've pointed out, gays could always marry and were never prevented from holding marriage ceremonies.  Only prevented from receiving the tax and entitlement benefits associated with the state licensing.  

Quoted from CICERO

Yes, but you are removing the context of his response.  He was responding in the context of the recent Supreme Court decision to issue marriage licenses to gay couples.  As you've pointed out, gays could always marry and were never prevented from holding marriage ceremonies.  Only prevented from receiving the tax and entitlement benefits associated with the state licensing.  

Jimmy doesn't speak for Jesus... But... Cicero speaks for Jimmy!  


The question was:
HuffPost Live's Marc Lamont Hill asked Carter on Tuesday whether
he believes Jesus would approve of gay marriage

Quoted Text

"I believe Jesus would. I don't have any verse in scripture. ...
I believe Jesus would approve gay marriage, but that's just
my own personal belief. I think Jesus would encourage any love
affair if it was honest and sincere and was not damaging to anyone
else, and I don't see that gay marriage damages anyone else," he said.

Carter was being interviewed about his new book:  " A Full Life: Reflections at Ninety. "

Oregon judge refuses to perform same-sex marriages
The Associated Press September 5, 2015


SALEM, Ore. — Marion County Judge Vance Day is being investigated by a judicial fitness commission in part over his refusal to perform same-sex marriages on religious grounds, a spokesman for the judge said Friday.

When a federal court ruling in May 2014 made same-sex marriage legal in Oregon, Day instructed his staff to refer same-sex couples looking to marry to other judges, spokesman Patrick Korten said.

Last fall, he decided to stop performing weddings altogether, aside from one in March that had long been scheduled, Korten said.

“He made a decision nearly a year ago to stop doing weddings altogether, and the principal factor that he weighed was the pressure that one would face to perform a same-sex wedding, which he had a conflict with his religious beliefs,” Korten said.

In an email, Day declined to comment and referred questions to Korten.

The issue of same-sex weddings is “the weightiest” of several allegations against Day that are being investigated by the Commission on Judicial Fitness and Disability, Korten said.

He declined to detail any of the allegations, saying he didn’t want to defy the commission, which considers complaints confidential until it is ready to make them public.

The investigation of Day’s conduct comes amid heightened national attention to the responsibilities of public officials who oppose same-sex marriage. Kim Davis, a county clerk in Kentucky, went to jail Thursday because of her refusal to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

Last month, the Ohio Supreme Court’s Board of Professional Conduct said judges can’t refuse to marry same-sex couples on personal, moral or religious grounds.

Judges who stop performing all marriages to avoid marrying same-sex couples may be interpreted as biased and could be disqualified from any case where sexual orientation is an issue, the Ohio board ruled.

The investigation of Day came to light Thursday when the Oregon Government Ethics Commission — a separate entity from the judicial fitness commission — approved the judge’s request to create a legal defense fund to pay his lawyers.

Day, a former chairman of the Oregon Republican Party, was appointed to the bench in 2011 by then-Gov. John Kitzhaber, a Democrat.

Day’s move concerned Jeana Frazzini, co-director of the gay-rights group Basic Rights Oregon.

“Taking that kind of a step really calls into question how an LGBTQ person could expect to be treated in a court of law,” Frazzini said. “It goes beyond marriage and gets to serious questions about judicial integrity.”

they would both be excommunicated from their government jobs.....

RedNecks Being RedNecks!
Very entertaining!

good for them...glad they got together to 'believe' in their same sh!t....not much different from the status quo political parties of today

What ever happened to separation of church and state????
This whole thing is a farce. No public official should be allowed to use their
religious belief to dictate how they conduct the responsibilities of their job...PERIOD!

Quoted from joebxr

What ever happened to separation of church and state????
This whole thing is a farce. No public official should be allowed to use their
religious belief to dictate how they conduct the responsibilities of their job...PERIOD!

AGREE ^5

If you aren't willing to follow the law, then don't run for office or resign if it conflicts with your personal views.

Similar to those who refuse to enforce the SAFE ACT.  Your job isn't to legislate it's to enforces the law.
If it conflicts with your personal views, resign.

If you aren't willing to follow the law, then don't run for office or resign if it conflicts with your personal views.

Similar to those who refuse to enforce the SAFE ACT or OathCreapers.  Your job isn't to legislate it's to enforces the law.
If it conflicts with your personal views, resign.

'absolute morals' makes people feel uncomfortable and guilty which usually creates hostility.

absolute morals should never be 'forced' on folks.

but just talking about them causes folks to become hostile.