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now that's funny coming from you.....so if you work for catholic charities or the like that refuses to have 'birth control' in their
health insurance policy then you should quit and find a company that covers it.....

just saying, if a company conflicts with your personal views,,,,then resign.......

^5  Exactly


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Sissy's playing "Sissy Dictionary" again.....oh well. Guess if you can't understand
the American dictionary, then you have to make up your own definitions.
It's the only way Sissy wins at his stupidity games!!!!!  All along I thought
he's been playing dumb....but guess he's confirmed I'm wrong!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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County clerks come in all forms and levels of authority. Some are elected, some are appointed. Some
are clerks to the governing board only and others have responsibilities for carrying out many services for
the citizens of the county.
The Clerk is one of the oldest known officials in local government with beginnings back in Ancient
Greece. The title is derived from the Latin clericus where it meant a person who could read, write and
serve as a notary or recorder. English history shows that the role of the city clerk can be traced to 1272
AD. A quote from Chief Justice Lord Caldecote, in a ruling in a legal case before the English Court during
the Middle Ages says “The office of town clerk is an important part of the machinery of local government.
He may be said to stand between the local council and the ratepayers…”
When colonists arrived in America, they invariably established the forms of government with which they
were most familiar. In colonial Massachusetts one of the earliest offices created was that of the recorder,
whose role it was to keep vital records of births, marriages and deaths for the church. This individual also
maintained records of all of the governmental appointments, the deeds, the meetings and the elections of
town officials. Early clerks in New England also had to sweep the meeting room, sell seats, ring the bell
and other responsibilities that no longer exist. The title clerk started to appear around the middle of the
17th century. At that same time, the clerk’s responsibilities also included maintenance of a list of each
resident’s property and its value to verify voting rights if necessary. The clerk also administered the oath
of office taken by elected officials and was authorized to call local government meetings.
Early clerks in Connecticut were required to keep a record of every man’s house and land,” and present
a “fairly written” copy to the General Court for recordation. The first local government election in New
York City, conducted in 1686, included candidates for the offices of Sheriff, Mayor and City Clerk.
As the nation grew and states established laws and statutes governing county governments, many states
decided that the county clerk should be a county-wide elected officials. Currently the states that elect the
county clerk include:
In California and New York, it is discretionary whether counties elect their clerks or appoint them. Of
the remaining states, the role either is an appointed position, or does not exist.
Today, County Clerks are generally responsible for maintaining records of all governing body transactions
including resolutions and ordinances. They are responsible for keeping records of deeds and marriage
licenses and most other public records. They also issue permits for various parades and parties, as
well as many licenses.
Research Brief
Written by Jacqueline J. Byers Research Director/November 2008
A Publication of the Research Division of NACo’s County Services Department
Alabama
Arkansas
Colorado
Delaware
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
Michigan
Missouri
Mississippi
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Jersey
New Mexico
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming
Another major duty of many elected County Clerks is that of receiving all nominations and petitions for elections. The Clerk also is
responsible for preparing ballots, procuring and maintaining voting machines and recruiting and training poll workers and the conduct
of all elections.
As an example of the role of the clerk as authorized by law – The New Mexico Constitution outlines the role of the office as follows:
1. Recorder of the county, on behalf of the Board of County Commissioners
2. Chief election officer responsible for the administration of elections in the
3. Clerk of the Probate Court in handling informal proceedings only
4. Miscellaneous duties including those of notary public, administration of oaths, certification of acknowledgements, declarations, instruments
and protests.
The county clerk is responsible for keeping records, resolutions and ordinances adopted by the Board of County Commissioners. The
county clerk also serves as the secretary to the commission and performs all of the following:
z Records all proceedings of the board and makes regular entries of all resolutions and decisions in all questions that concern the raising
of money; records the vote of each commissioner on any question submitted to the board.
z Signs all orders issued by the board for payment of money, records the action and records the receipts of the county treasurer that
show the income and expenditures of the county.
Many clerks across the country belong to national organizations such as the International Institute of Municipal Clerks or the National
Association of County Recorders, Election Officials and Clerks. These organizations usually establish ethical standards and guidelines
that clerks follow in the performance of their duties.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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What Do County Clerks Do?
County Clerks in New York State have varied duties. All sixty-two (62) Clerks are clerks of their respective Supreme Courts and County Courts (although since the 1977 takeover of most local courts by the State of New York, the County Clerk's role is primarily that of record-keeper.) Outside of New York City's five counties, all County Clerks are elected for a four year term and are also the land records recorders for their respective counties.

New York City's five County Clerks are appointed, and only the Richmond County Clerk (Staten Island) serves as land records recorder in that county. The New York City Register holds the land records for the remainder of that city, and is the only member of our Association who is not a County Clerk.

Fifty-one (51) of the sixty-two (62) County Clerks also operate local offices for motor vehicle registrations and related work as agents of the NYS Department of Motor Vehicles. County Clerks in the many smaller counties are also Commissioners of Jurors in their counties, and other possible County Clerk duties range from Records Management and Public Information to Pistol Permit issuance and Passport Application acceptance. In New York State, County Clerks are not generally involved in the administration of elections.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Does a clerk have the right to deny a Mormon a marriage license for multiple wives?  

A clerk has the OBLIGATION to follow US LAW.
If denying a license is to anyone who applies for multiple wives/husbands is illegal,
then a clerk must obey the law.  
However the clerk's PERSONAL OPINION, is irrelevant.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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A clerk has the OBLIGATION to follow US LAW.
If denying a license is to anyone who applies for multiple wives/husbands is illegal,
then a clerk must obey the law.  
However the clerk's PERSONAL OPINION, is irrelevant.



Then why have an election for county clerk if they do not take their personal opinions and beliefs into the position?  It makes no sense.  Then the clerk should be a civil service HIRED position and NOT and ELECTED position.  If the clerks job is merely to defer to the ranking government magistrate, then it's a $15 per hour admin job.

BTW...My Mormon example was to show that states actually STILL regulate marriage in a discriminatory fashion. If the SCOTUS gay marriage decision was based on the 14th amendment and equal protection under the law, then the denial of polygamy is discriminatory.  Licenses must be granted to all that ask for one.   Also, if a state like Utah passed a law licensing polygamy, would every state then have to recognize the rights of those in polygamous marriages?

Nowhere in the constitution is it written that every state must define marriage the same.  The SCOTUS ruling just created the definition of marriage for every state.


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Box gets his shorts in a bunch about a clerk not following a Federal law but the government not following the Federal immigration law is alright.
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Then why have an election for county clerk if they do not take their personal opinions and beliefs into the position?  It makes no sense.  Then the clerk should be a civil service HIRED position and NOT and ELECTED position.  If the clerks job is merely to defer to the ranking government magistrate, then it's a $15 per hour admin job.

BTW...My Mormon example was to show that states actually STILL regulate marriage in a discriminatory fashion. If the SCOTUS gay marriage decision was based on the 14th amendment and equal protection under the law, then the denial of polygamy is discriminatory.  Licenses must be granted to all that ask for one.   Also, if a state like Utah passed a law licensing polygamy, would every state then have to recognize the rights of those in polygamous marriages?

Nowhere in the constitution is it written that every state must define marriage the same.  The SCOTUS ruling just created the definition of marriage for every state.


^5....freedom scares Box


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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County clerks come in all forms and levels of authority. Some are elected, some are appointed. Some
are clerks to the governing board only and others have responsibilities for carrying out many services for
the citizens of the county.
The Clerk is one of the oldest known officials in local government with beginnings back in Ancient
Greece. The title is derived from the Latin clericus where it meant a person who could read, write and
serve as a notary or recorder. English history shows that the role of the city clerk can be traced to 1272
AD. A quote from Chief Justice Lord Caldecote, in a ruling in a legal case before the English Court during
the Middle Ages says “The office of town clerk is an important part of the machinery of local government.
He may be said to stand between the local council and the ratepayers…”
When colonists arrived in America, they invariably established the forms of government with which they
were most familiar. In colonial Massachusetts one of the earliest offices created was that of the recorder,
whose role it was to keep vital records of births, marriages and deaths for the church. This individual also
maintained records of all of the governmental appointments, the deeds, the meetings and the elections of
town officials. Early clerks in New England also had to sweep the meeting room, sell seats, ring the bell
and other responsibilities that no longer exist. The title clerk started to appear around the middle of the
17th century. At that same time, the clerk’s responsibilities also included maintenance of a list of each
resident’s property and its value to verify voting rights if necessary. The clerk also administered the oath
of office taken by elected officials and was authorized to call local government meetings.
Early clerks in Connecticut were required to keep a record of every man’s house and land,” and present
a “fairly written” copy to the General Court for recordation. The first local government election in New
York City, conducted in 1686, included candidates for the offices of Sheriff, Mayor and City Clerk.
As the nation grew and states established laws and statutes governing county governments, many states
decided that the county clerk should be a county-wide elected officials. Currently the states that elect the
county clerk include:
In California and New York, it is discretionary whether counties elect their clerks or appoint them. Of
the remaining states, the role either is an appointed position, or does not exist.
Today, County Clerks are generally responsible for maintaining records of all governing body transactions
including resolutions and ordinances. They are responsible for keeping records of deeds and marriage
licenses and most other public records. They also issue permits for various parades and parties, as
well as many licenses.
Research Brief
Written by Jacqueline J. Byers Research Director/November 2008
A Publication of the Research Division of NACo’s County Services Department
Alabama
Arkansas
Colorado
Delaware
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
Michigan
Missouri
Mississippi
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Jersey
New Mexico
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Washington
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming
Another major duty of many elected County Clerks is that of receiving all nominations and petitions for elections. The Clerk also is
responsible for preparing ballots, procuring and maintaining voting machines and recruiting and training poll workers and the conduct
of all elections.
As an example of the role of the clerk as authorized by law – The New Mexico Constitution outlines the role of the office as follows:
1. Recorder of the county, on behalf of the Board of County Commissioners
2. Chief election officer responsible for the administration of elections in the
3. Clerk of the Probate Court in handling informal proceedings only
4. Miscellaneous duties including those of notary public, administration of oaths, certification of acknowledgements, declarations, instruments
and protests.
The county clerk is responsible for keeping records, resolutions and ordinances adopted by the Board of County Commissioners. The
county clerk also serves as the secretary to the commission and performs all of the following:
z Records all proceedings of the board and makes regular entries of all resolutions and decisions in all questions that concern the raising
of money; records the vote of each commissioner on any question submitted to the board.
z Signs all orders issued by the board for payment of money, records the action and records the receipts of the county treasurer that
show the income and expenditures of the county.
Many clerks across the country belong to national organizations such as the International Institute of Municipal Clerks or the National
Association of County Recorders, Election Officials and Clerks. These organizations usually establish ethical standards and guidelines
that clerks follow in the performance of their duties.


really bro am I supposed to read that ? Let me sum it up for you

This lady is a kook with a capital K
She is giving hillbillies a bad name

The only clerk in the whole freakin country  ?y-  This is not going to go down well for her in the long run
She is not Rosa Parks


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Have you watched anything????  She is DENYING TO ISSUE THE LICENSE!!!! DUH!!!!


again........

the way i see it....she's not forcing her belief on ANYONE.

she is not DENYING same sex couples a marriage license.

she just won't authorize them.

honestly....no big deal!

licensing marriages is a very small part of her job.

again.....no big deal....but, of course, gov almighty has to make a 'strong armed', intimidating statement....as usual.

just another, not needed, division in the country.

as a side note and the real issue is would she have run for that office if she knew she would have to 'authorize' same sex marriages?

the last time she ran for office...that wasn't the case.

so it appears that her job description took a detour that she didn't want to take.

again....this really isn't a big deal...gov almighty made it one....AGAIN....causing even MORE division in this country.

gov almighty has no one to blame but themselves for this fiasco...AGAIN....since this same sex marriage issue should

have been decided at the state level.

ANOTHER GOVERNMENT FAILURE!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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The only clerk in the whole freakin country  ?y-  This is not going to go down well for her in the long run
She is not Rosa Parks


You're right...She's no Rosa Parks...The County Clerk has been in jail 3 times longer than Rosa Parks was, and jailed for not issuing a marriage license to gay couples that could have gotten their license in a neighboring county 20 minutes away.


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Then why have an election for county clerk if they do not take their personal opinions and beliefs into the position?
Her personal beliefs are irrelevant.

  Licenses must be granted to all that ask for one.
Nope.  If you are already married, you cannot get a marriage license.
There are also age restrictions.
  

Nowhere in the constitution is it written that every state must define marriage the same.
To my knowledge,  no where in the constitution is anything written about marriage, or
hundreds of other issues.  



Freedom OF Religion is also Freedom FROM Religion.  



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Freedom OF Religion is also Freedom FROM Religion.  



why marriage license?


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Freedom OF Religion is also Freedom FROM Religion.  



why get married? what is the origin of marriage?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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again........

the way i see it....she's not forcing her belief on ANYONE.

she is not DENYING same sex couples a marriage license.

she just won't authorize them.

honestly....no big deal!

licensing marriages is a very small part of her job.

again.....no big deal....but, of course, gov almighty has to make a 'strong armed', intimidating statement....as usual.

just another, not needed, division in the country.

as a side note and the real issue is would she have run for that office if she knew she would have to 'authorize' same sex marriages?

the last time she ran for office...that wasn't the case.

so it appears that her job description took a detour that she didn't want to take.

again....this really isn't a big deal...gov almighty made it one....AGAIN....causing even MORE division in this country.

gov almighty has no one to blame but themselves for this fiasco...AGAIN....since this same sex marriage issue should

have been decided at the state level.

ANOTHER GOVERNMENT FAILURE!!!

Really Bumbler, you amaze me.
The clerk doesn't AUTHORIZE people to marry. They issue a license that
authorizes them to be married.  So it's not the clerk authorizing....it's the license that authorizes them.



JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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