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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Is refusing to make that redneck cake a violation of someone's civil rights?
If so, then they will be obliged to make that cake... ( but I sure wouldn't want to eat any of it)

Cicero prefers the days when minorities knew their place.



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A Warning From Canada: Same-Sex Marriage Erodes Fundamental Rights
Get ready to say goodbye to your first Amendment freedoms
DAWN STEFANOWICZ (1)



Teachers cannot make comments in their social networks, write letters to editors, publicly debate, or vote according to their own conscience on their own time. They can be disciplined or lose any chance of tenure. They can be required at a bureaucrat’s whim to take re-education classes or sensitivity training, or be fired for thinking politically incorrect thoughts.

When same-sex marriage was created in Canada, gender-neutral language became legally mandated. Newspeak proclaims that it is discriminatory to assume a human being is male or female, or heterosexual. So, to be inclusive, special non-gender-specific language is being used in media, government, workplaces, and especially schools to avoid appearing ignorant, homophobic, or discriminatory. A special curriculum is being used in many schools to teach students how to use proper gender-neutral language. Unbeknownst to many parents, use of gender terms to describe husband and wife, father and mother, Mother’s Day and Father’s Day, and “he” and “she” is being steadily eradicated in Canadian schools.

Which Is More Important: Sexual Autonomy or the First Amendment?

Recently, an American professor who was anonymously interviewed for the American Conservative questioned whether sexual autonomy is going to cost you your freedoms: “We are now at the point, he said, at which it is legitimate to ask if sexual autonomy is more important than the First Amendment?”

Under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, Canadian citizens were supposed to have been guaranteed: (1) freedom of conscience and religion; (2) freedom of thought, belief, opinion, and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication; (3) freedom of peaceful assembly; and (4) freedom of association. In reality, all of these freedoms have been curtailed with the legalization of same-sex marriage.

Wedding planners, rental halls, bed and breakfast owners, florists, photographers, and bakers have already seen their freedoms eroded, conscience rights ignored, and religious freedoms trampled in Canada. But this is not just about the wedding industry. Anybody who owns a business may not legally permit his or her conscience to inform business practices or decisions if those decisions are not in line with the tribunals’ decisions and the government’s sexual orientation and gender identity non-discrimination laws. In the end, this means that the state basically dictates whether and how citizens may express themselves.

Freedom to assemble and speak freely about man-woman marriage, family, and sexuality is now restricted. Most faith communities have become “politically correct” to avoid fines and loss of charitable status. Canadian media are restricted by the Canadian Radio, Television, and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC), which is similar to the FCC. If the media air anything considered discriminatory, broadcasting licenses can be revoked, and “human rights bodies” can charge fines and restrict future airings.

An example of legally curtailed speech regarding homosexuality in Canada involves the case of Bill Whatcott, who was arrested for hate speech in April 2014 after distributing pamphlets that were critical of homosexuality. Whether or not you agree with what he says, you should be aghast at this state-sanctioned gagging. Books, DVDs, and other materials can also be confiscated at the Canadian border if the materials are deemed “hateful.”

Americans need to prepare for the same sort of surveillance-society in America if the Supreme Court rules to ban marriage as a male-female institution. It means that no matter what you believe, the government will be free to regulate your speech, your writing, your associations, and whether or not you may express your conscience. Americans also need to understand that the endgame for some in the LGBT rights movement involves centralized state power—and the end of First Amendment freedoms.

Dawn Stefanowicz is an internationally recognized speaker and author. She is a member of the Testimonial Committee of the International Children’s Rights Institute. Her book, Out From Under: The Impact of Homosexual Parenting, is available at http://www.dawnstefanowicz.org. Dawn, a full-time licensed accountant, is married and has two teenaged children. This article was published at Public Discourse and is reprinted here with kind permission.

http://www.aleteia.org/en/soci.....4749092986880?page=3


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Cicero prefers the days when minorities knew their place.



Box, "the days when minorities knew their place" where the days of government LAWS forcing private businesses to segregate.

If one baker doesn't want to bake a cake for a gay couple, the gay couple can spend their money at another bakery.  Unlike the days of the Democratic Party's segregation of the south, the law didn't allow ANY business to treat blacks like equals.

It would only be a violation of civil rights if a law prohibited the baking of wedding cakes for gay couples.  


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It would only be a violation of civil rights if a law prohibited the baking of wedding cakes for gay couples.  


That may be your opinion Cicero, but it isn't the law:

Under Oregon law, businesses cannot discriminate or refuse service based on sexual orientation,
just as they cannot turn customers away because of race, sex, disability, age or religion".
This case is not about a wedding cake or a marriage. It is about a business's refusal to serve
someone because of their sexual orientation. Under Oregon law, that is illegal."


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Notice how anti-discrimination law applies to the producer but not the consumer. Consumers are allowed to use any grounds they want for denying money here or spending money there, and that's never questioned. How is it that you should lose your right to choose just because you stand on the other side of the counter?    ~ Jeffery Tucker

Organizing a boycott against Chick-Fil-A because of their religious beliefs is completely legal and celebrated, but if Chick-Fil-A organized a boycott to not serve customers based on their religious beliefs, it's a crime.

Welcome to the fascist states of America.  Happy Independence Day!


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It's not about 'baking a cake', it about participating in the ceremony.

That's what the issue is.

As of right now, the first amendment is gone. It's really just that simple.




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It's not about 'baking a cake', it about participating in the ceremony.

That's what the issue is.

As of right now, the first amendment is gone. It's really just that simple.


So the limo driver,
the dress maker,
the winery who makes the champagne,
the guy who sews the tux,
and
the guy who makes the cake...
ALL PARTICIPATE IN THE WEDDING CEREMONY???

I never knew that!  


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So the limo driver,
the dress maker,
the winery who makes the champagne,
the guy who sews the tux,
and
the guy who makes the cake...
ALL PARTICIPATE IN THE WEDDING CEREMONY???

I never knew that!


Yet you believe the gun dealers are participants when someone gets shot.

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does/will any private business have the right to refuse based on their religious belief under the first amendment?

Can churches still preach that fornication, idolatry, adultery, homosexuality, thieves, covetous, drunkards, murderers are againstthe God they worship? Are the churches protected under the first amendment and will they always be?


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
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does/will any private business have the right to refuse based on their religious belief under the first amendment?

Can churches still preach that fornication, idolatry, adultery, homosexuality, thieves, covetous, drunkards, murderers are againstthe God they worship? Are the churches protected under the first amendment and will they always be?


Any laws prohibiting you from following, or restricting you from fully following your religious beliefs is unconstitutional.

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does/will any private business have the right to refuse based on their religious belief under the first amendment?

Can churches still preach that fornication, idolatry, adultery, homosexuality, thieves, covetous, drunkards, murderers are againstthe God they worship? Are the churches protected under the first amendment and will they always be?


The Holy Church of Wedding Cake!


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