The South's aim was to secede for the purpose of keeping slavery in the South.
And Lincoln and the north didn't care what the reason was why they were seceding. The federal government didn't want to lose control over that territory.
And Lincoln and the north didn't care what the reason was why they were seceding. The federal government didn't want to lose control over that territory.
And thank Abe they did! Slavery would have ended in the south anyway but with secession it also took the lives of 620,000 Americans.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
And YES Cissy... The Civil War was about slavery... and it appears so are you.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
And thank Abe they did! Slavery would have ended in the south anyway but with secession it also took the lives of 620,000 Americans.
yes, Lincoln was responsible for the deaths of 620K Americans because he refused to allow peaceful secession. Like you said, slavery would have ended in the south in short time anyhow, slavery was ending around the world without waging civil wars to end it. The fact was, slavery was an outdated means of production. Industrialization and automation was replacing slaves.
The "civil war" had little to do with slavery, and everything to do with Federal Government forcibly keep states in the Union against their will.
The "civil war" had little to do with slavery, and everything to do with Federal Government forcibly keep states in the Union against their will.
If only Cissy would read history, instead of inventing it.
Confederate states did claim the right to secede, but no state claimed to be seceding for that right. In fact, Confederates opposed states’ rights — that is, the right of Northern states not to support slavery.
On Dec. 24, 1860, delegates at South Carolina’s secession convention adopted a “Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union.” It noted: “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery” and protested that Northern states had failed to “fulfill their constitutional obligations” by interfering with the return of fugitive slaves to bondage. Slavery, not states’ rights, birthed the Civil War.
As much as Cicero denies the FACTS, and invents his own, all you need to do is read a book to find the truth.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The "civil war" had little to do with slavery, and everything to do with Federal Government forcibly keep states in the Union against their will.
South Carolina was further upset that New York no longer allowed “slavery transit.” In the past, if Charleston gentry wanted to spend August in the Hamptons, they could bring their cook along. No longer — and South Carolina’s delegates were outraged. In addition, they objected that New England states let black men vote and tolerated abolitionist societies. According to South Carolina, states should not have the right to let their citizens assemble and speak freely when what they said threatened slavery.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The "civil war" had little to do with slavery, and everything to do with Federal Government forcibly keep states in the Union against their will.
Other seceding states echoed South Carolina. “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world,” proclaimed Mississippi in its own secession declaration, passed Jan. 9, 1861.
YET CICERO CONTENDS THAT "THE CIVIL WAR" HAD LITTLE DO DO WITH SLAVERY. Mississippi wrote slavery into their secession declaration... but Slavery had "little to do with the Civil War" Really Cicero??? Do you also ignore the secession declaration of a succeeding state and make up your own version???
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
A very small minority of those living in the southern states even owned slaves.
Most white Southerners didn’t own slaves, so they wouldn’t secede for slavery. Indeed, most white Southern families had no slaves. Less than half of white Mississippi households owned one or more slaves, and that proportion was smaller still in whiter states such as Virginia and Tennessee. It is also true that, in areas with few slaves, most white Southerners did not support secession.
West Virginia seceded from Virginia to stay with the Union, and Confederate troops had to occupy parts of eastern Tennessee and northern Alabama to hold them in line.
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However, two ideological factors caused most Southern whites, including those who were not slave-owners, to defend slavery. First, Americans are wondrous optimists, looking to the upper class and expecting to join it someday. In 1860, many subsistence farmers aspired to become large slave-owners. So poor white Southerners supported slavery then, just as many low-income people support the extension of George W. Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy now.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
None of that matters. Did the Confederates aggress toward the Union? Did the confederate states wage war on the New England Abolitionist Societies? Did Lincoln say Free your slaves, and we shall allow you to secede in peace? Was slavery legal in Union States before, during, and after the "civil war"? Did the Emancipation Proclamation free slaves in Union States where slavery was legal?(no, only the Confederate States)
Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri and West Virginia were Union slave states before, during, and after the "civil war". Yet Mr. Lincoln was not burning those states to the ground in his alleged moral quest to unshackle the African slave.
The fact was, slavery was an outdated means of production. Industrialization and automation was replacing slaves.
The "civil war" had little to do with slavery, and everything to do with Federal Government forcibly keep states in the Union against their will.
And this is the truth in a nutshell!!!
however.....just like in all of history....the agitators and the antagonistics carry the bucket of lies to the masses for the kings! idiots!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
None of this matters... None of Cicero's lame Right Wing Secessionist BS matters. The FACTS? Cissy continually states that "Slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War" so NONE OF THE ACTUAL FACTS MATTER!!!
Read the Mississippi secession Document, and tell me that it had nothing to do with slavery!
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“Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world,” proclaimed Mississippi in its own secession declaration," passed Jan. 9, 1861.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
None of this matters... None of Cicero's lame Right Wing Secessionist BS matters. The FACTS? Cissy continually states that "Slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War" so NONE OF THE ACTUAL FACTS MATTER!!!
Read the Mississippi secession Document, and tell me that it had nothing to do with slavery!
Oh no!!! Box is quoting things I never said. Box, I said slavery had LITTLE to do with the Union's war on the the confederate states(or as you call it, "civil war"). As I already stated, 4 Union states were SLAVE STATES.
You can cite the letters announcing the reason for their secession. In his own words, Lincoln didn't really CARE about ending slavery. He first and foremost wanted to "save the union" and didn't believe states have the right to secede. So he waged a war killing 620K Americans, NOT TO FREE SLAVES, but to prevent secession.(as I said, 4 union states were slave states)
Wait...you said it was war was waged against the south to free the slave. Lincoln never said that. Lincoln didn't care about freeing slaves or anything else. His mission was to preserve the Union by force.
Finally, you get it! The confederate flag is a symbol of rebellion against the Federal Government. Lincoln didn't care about slavery, his objective was to maintain control over the south.
The south had no right to freedom or self determination.
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