I agree on the Signore issue...it definitely was a misperception. As to Fiorillo, I think she's her own person and still holds her own in the future. Same for Salamones who have yet to prove themselves (I say that because I've only heard of the school board one.) As for the other not having party consideration...didn't someone say on another thread that he interviewed? I'd say that's a little more than "no consideration."
I agree on the Signore issue...it definitely was a misperception. As to Fiorillo, I think she's her own person and still holds her own in the future. Same for Salamones who have yet to prove themselves (I say that because I've only heard of the school board one.) As for the other not having party consideration...didn't someone say on another thread that he interviewed? I'd say that's a little more than "no consideration."
Agreed, Brad...always dark before the dawn!
Fiorillo ~ maybe. The school board Salamone is WF ~ isn't that a socialist/leftist party? He might have a future with the Dems ~ but can't see GOP or NNTP even thinking twice on passing over him. As for the other one getting an interview ~ Littlefield, Mertz, and O'Connor all interviewed.
So let me clarify ~ after the interview ~ he was a non-starter. Although ~ I understand that he is a complete anti-NNTP guy ~ so that might score him points with Tom & Jerry ~ but again as far as future 'viable' candidate ~ that translates to a non-starter.
Felipe, you say that there are ethical problems against all of these people yet all you can come up with are:
1. The individual that scored the highest on the police exam, who had the highest G.P.A. out of any of the applicants, and who ended up graduating #1 from the police academy should not have gotten accepted solely because his father was on the town board? Really? If his father wasn't on the board and Joe Jr. had those credentials, became a Rotterdam Cop, then left to go to State Police, would you be calling that unethical? I somehow doubt it. Then you say it looks bad for perception...well maybe it looks bad because people like you on this blog make a big deal out of something that is a non-issue. Maybe instead of spending so much time saying it looks bad, you should spend that time explaining the facts?
2. Tomasone's relative's assessment was determined to be inaccurate and his assessment was diminished. Either you are accusing Mr. Surprise of a serious ethical violation, or you are saying a citizen should be screwed over by the town solely because his relative holds elected office. If you are accusing Mr. Surprise of these serious ethical violations, I assume you have contacted the ethics commission on this issue? If Mr. Surprise is so unethical to give fraudulent reassessments, why has the current board not fired him yet? They've fired many other good people who have no ethical issues, surely this would rate high on the list. If this is the idea that Tomasone's relative should get screwed over, this is the same flawed "it just looks bad" logic behind the Signore thing. Either put your name on an ethics complaint against Mr. Surprise, or shut up!
3. As to DelaVilla, if the contract was unethical, the current board is obviously acting unethically as well if the company still has the contract. Surely after you finish the Surprise ethics complaint you will be writing an ethics complaint against all of the members of the current board for doing business with DelaVilla.
4. Mertz and Signore working together? Really? That makes Mertz unethical? I'm sure you have read my comments in other threads and realize I'm no huge Mertz supporter. But on this, I have to defend him. John Mertz is unethical because he "gave a job" to the most qualified applicant? That makes Mertz unethical? I'd say that was Mertz trying to do good by the town by hiring the highest qualified candidate. If Joe, Jr. hadn't gotten the job with the State Police and Joe, Jr. was forced to work elsewhere what would you be saying about Mertz's failure to hire the highest qualified candidate?
5. Once again, everyone loves to bash Mr. Parisi. What has he done? Name 1 thing. You have nothing on Parisi, maybe you are just a disgruntled NNTP candidate and you are crying over spilled milk that you didn't get the nomination? Keep accusing Parisi of acting unethically without anything to back that charge up. We all know what that means: you've got nothing on him.
6. Still waiting to hear the unethical behavior of Lynn.
7. As to the solomon brothers, all i know is the one on the school board, he seems like a good enough chap, time will only tell what he is like. What does the other one do? I've only recently started hearing his name.
So you officially have zero evidence of all of these unethical acts by the previous administration.
I honestly don't see the issue of hiring joe jr to the rpd. He scored #1. And perhaps he did take the state police test. Was that an 'absolute' that he would be hired by the state police? I don't think anyone had or has a crystal ball to predict that outcome or the time table.
So the kid got a job with the rpd and then left to go to the state police. Big deal! It happens in the private sector ALL the time. Was he a good rotterdam cop? Did he 'abuse' his position?
There apparently are bigger fish to fry with the rpd than joe jr's short employment.....dontcha thinK?
Bumble.... Big deal???? So what if the town spent $100,000 training him and then he just leaves and then the town has to train another officer....... I'm amazed that's not a big deal for you.
From what I have been told, Signore made it clear he would leave if the State Police offered him a position and the Chief new an offer would be coming. It makes sense that the Chief would not want to waste tens of thousands training someone and have to repeat it shortly thereafter.
Why would anyone want to spend that kind of money on an employee whose loyalty isn't with the town???
Bumble.... Big deal???? So what if the town spent $100,000 training him and then he just leaves and then the town has to train another officer....... I'm amazed that's not a big deal for you.
From what I have been told, Signore made it clear he would leave if the State Police offered him a position and the Chief new an offer would be coming. It makes sense that the Chief would not want to waste tens of thousands training someone and have to repeat it shortly thereafter.
Why would anyone want to spend that kind of money on an employee whose loyalty isn't with the town???
Wait, wait, wait... Rotterdam PD allows the officer who is in his/her last years before retirement to rack up an ungodly amount of overtime, virtually doubling their salary, so they can retire at more than the base salary of their final year. Is that a big deal to you? Talk about openly gaming the system and defrauding the taxpayer. Let's stand up to that first.
Choosing the most qualified candidate was the right decision. Punishing a kid that is an achiever because he might leave for the State Police is ridiculous. And politicizing it to score political points against Mertz was even more ridiculous.
Bumble.... Big deal???? So what if the town spent $100,000 training him and then he just leaves and then the town has to train another officer....... I'm amazed that's not a big deal for you.
From what I have been told, Signore made it clear he would leave if the State Police offered him a position and the Chief new an offer would be coming. It makes sense that the Chief would not want to waste tens of thousands training someone and have to repeat it shortly thereafter.
Why would anyone want to spend that kind of money on an employee whose loyalty isn't with the town???
I'm sure we could go through the state itself and the train costs and the likes....same in nursing....then they leave......
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Felipe, you say that there are ethical problems against all of these people yet all you can come up with are:
1. The individual that scored the highest on the police exam, who had the highest G.P.A. out of any of the applicants, and who ended up graduating #1 from the police academy should not have gotten accepted solely because his father was on the town board? Really? If his father wasn't on the board and Joe Jr. had those credentials, became a Rotterdam Cop, then left to go to State Police, would you be calling that unethical? I somehow doubt it. Then you say it looks bad for perception...well maybe it looks bad because people like you on this blog make a big deal out of something that is a non-issue. Maybe instead of spending so much time saying it looks bad, you should spend that time explaining the facts?
2. Tomasone's relative's assessment was determined to be inaccurate and his assessment was diminished. Either you are accusing Mr. Surprise of a serious ethical violation, or you are saying a citizen should be screwed over by the town solely because his relative holds elected office. If you are accusing Mr. Surprise of these serious ethical violations, I assume you have contacted the ethics commission on this issue? If Mr. Surprise is so unethical to give fraudulent reassessments, why has the current board not fired him yet? They've fired many other good people who have no ethical issues, surely this would rate high on the list. If this is the idea that Tomasone's relative should get screwed over, this is the same flawed "it just looks bad" logic behind the Signore thing. Either put your name on an ethics complaint against Mr. Surprise, or shut up!
3. As to DelaVilla, if the contract was unethical, the current board is obviously acting unethically as well if the company still has the contract. Surely after you finish the Surprise ethics complaint you will be writing an ethics complaint against all of the members of the current board for doing business with DelaVilla.
4. Mertz and Signore working together? Really? That makes Mertz unethical? I'm sure you have read my comments in other threads and realize I'm no huge Mertz supporter. But on this, I have to defend him. John Mertz is unethical because he "gave a job" to the most qualified applicant? That makes Mertz unethical? I'd say that was Mertz trying to do good by the town by hiring the highest qualified candidate. If Joe, Jr. hadn't gotten the job with the State Police and Joe, Jr. was forced to work elsewhere what would you be saying about Mertz's failure to hire the highest qualified candidate?
5. Once again, everyone loves to bash Mr. Parisi. What has he done? Name 1 thing. You have nothing on Parisi, maybe you are just a disgruntled NNTP candidate and you are crying over spilled milk that you didn't get the nomination? Keep accusing Parisi of acting unethically without anything to back that charge up. We all know what that means: you've got nothing on him.
6. Still waiting to hear the unethical behavior of Lynn.
7. As to the solomon brothers, all i know is the one on the school board, he seems like a good enough chap, time will only tell what he is like. What does the other one do? I've only recently started hearing his name.
So you officially have zero evidence of all of these unethical acts by the previous administration.
You are sooooo smart! You got me ~ I can't even come up with a response to this. Damn you are GOOD!
Now ~ if you only put half the amount of effort it took you to write this ~ into the last campaign ~ you might have produced a winner. By the way ~ these were examples of issues people have raised for discussion purposes.
As for Parisi ~ yea ~ the future will most certainly produce some fun debate.
Wait, wait, wait... Rotterdam PD allows the officer who is in his/her last years before retirement to rack up an ungodly amount of overtime, virtually doubling their salary, so they can retire at more than the base salary of their final year. Is that a big deal to you? Talk about openly gaming the system and defrauding the taxpayer. Let's stand up to that first.
Choosing the most qualified candidate was the right decision. Punishing a kid that is an achiever because he might leave for the State Police is ridiculous. And politicizing it to score political points against Mertz was even more ridiculous.
First of all, I agree with you. No employee should be allowed to "game" the system to build their pensions. It absolutely should not be allowed and I have expressed my opinons on this subject many times over to several board members and candidates in the past. I was glad to see the legislature finally passed a bill this year to stop this problem.
Secondly, please don't put words in my mouth. I never said he "may" leave in the future. I said he made it clear if offered, he would leave. That is entirely different. Any employee, in any department that the town hires should have some significant loyality to the hiring municipality. If an individual tells you they are leaving if offered another position and that person is in a very "reachable" spot on the list and the other agencey informs you they will be reaching that person within the next 12 months then WE SHOULD NOT HIRE THAT INDIVIDUAL. To my understanding of this matter, that was the fact pattern. The Chief then recommended not to hire this person because of this. I have a problem with a town board who goes against his recommendation and therefore costs us tens of thousands of dollars after they do so.
Now, I ask myself; why would the board do that? The only logical answer, in my mind, is because he is the son of a board member. Those with another opinion will have to explain their opinion, cause I don't get it.
And Cicero, I remember one person who left with a ridiculous pension from the dept a few years ago. Were there others that I am not aware of? I'm not aware of a systematic problem where this continues to happen but I may not have all the facts on this one. And as I mentioned earlier, the new legislature passed a bill this year that will not allow employees to earn more than a certain % above their salaries which will be calculated in there retirement numbers.
Secondly, please don't put words in my mouth. I never said he "may" leave in the future. I said he made it clear if offered, he would leave. That is entirely different. Any employee, in any department that the town hires should have some significant loyality to the hiring municipality
O.K. - IF he was offered a job with the state police, he would take it. What IF he wasn't offered a job with the state police? I laugh when you say loyalty to a municipality. We are currently eliminating residency requirements to award political patronage jobs. Yeah - LOYALITY
And at the end of the day, the end of the month, the end of the year and the end of 2011 the Dems are still firmly in control. Please give up the babble GL, BT, TBV, GB. YOU LOST!!!!!
Get over it. Live to see another day, find a new hobby, send out sympathy cards to yourself but for crissakes get over the it. YOU LOST!!!!!
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