There is a lawyer expression... "A good DA can indict a ham sandwich". If the DA wants to indict a defendant, it is a relatively easy process. In both of the recent cases, the DA DIDN'T WANT TO INDICT, so the defendant walked.
a DA cannot indict a person on the security firm their government hired....don't you get it....
police departments are incorporated, they are NOT government employees.....
the DA would probably regret indicting a police officer, even if the law was not 'with them'...why? ELECTIONS/POLITICS WHITEWASH....
it's a very very very simple equation....you,,,being a taxpayer are part of it.....
x=police y=taxpayers/plebs a=fear b=1/2 truths
(a+b) x (x + y) = ELECTION WINNINGS
BOTH MEN WERE KILLED BECAUSE OF TAXABLE PRODUCTS....THINGS.....NOT PEOPLE.....THINGS....HASSLED OVER THINGS......
I'm not saying the police were right/wrong I'm not saying the men were right/wrong
what I can say is....legislation makes a criminal.......
are police officers the military of the taxpayers to recoup what 'belongs to the taxpayers' by killing taxpayers just because some legislation makes us feel good based on some 1/2 truth told by a politician?
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
DA's indict who and HOW politics direct him/her to.
we know some DA's and that's how the corrupt system turns!!!!
....and to go against a COP!!!!!....OMG .....there are repercussions to say the least!!!!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
In August, less than a month after filming the fatal July 17 encounter in which Daniel Pantaleo and other NYPD police officers confronted Garner for allegedly selling untaxed cigarettes, a grand jury indicted Orta on weapons charges stemming from an arrest by undercover officers earlier that month.
Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25 caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel. Orta testified that the charges were falsely mounted by police in retaliation for his role in documenting Garner's death, but the grand jury rejected his contention, charging him with single felony counts of third-degree criminal weapon possession and criminal firearm possession.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
In August, less than a month after filming the fatal July 17 encounter in which Daniel Pantaleo and other NYPD police officers confronted Garner for allegedly selling untaxed cigarettes, a grand jury indicted Orta on weapons charges stemming from an arrest by undercover officers earlier that month.
Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25 caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel. Orta testified that the charges were falsely mounted by police in retaliation for his role in documenting Garner's death, but the grand jury rejected his contention, charging him with single felony counts of third-degree criminal weapon possession and criminal firearm possession.
priceless......
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
De Blasio Sends Careful Message in Chokehold Death NEW YORK — Dec 4, 2014, 6:45 PM ET By JONATHAN LEMIRE Associated Press Police Chokehold Death New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, surrounded by community leaders, speaks to reporters about the grand jury's decision in the Eric Garner case in the borough of Staten Island in New York, Wednesday, Dec. 3, 2014. A grand jury cleared the white New York City police officer Wednesday in the videotaped chokehold death of Garner, an unarmed black man, who had been stopped on suspicion of selling loose, untaxed cigarettes, a lawyer for the victim's family said. A video shot by an onlooker and widely viewed on the Internet showed the 43-year-old Garner telling a group of police officers to leave him alone as they tried to arrest him. The city medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide and found that a chokehold contributed to it. (AP Photo/Seth Wenig) Close The Associated Press Associated Press
Mayor Bill de Blasio first spoke at a Staten Island church. Next, he gave an interview to a hip-hop radio station. That was followed by a blast email to his campaign mailing list and a press conference about a new training program aimed at reforming the New York Police Department.
All of these carefully choreographed events were aimed at those New Yorkers disheartened by the grand jury decision's not to indict a white police officer in a black man's chokehold death, including members of the communities of color who make up much of de Blasio's political base.
But those same remarks angered a series of police union leaders who on Thursday accused de Blasio of betraying the cleared policeman and his fellow officers, underscoring the widening divide between City Hall and the rank-and-file police that has in part defined the mayor's first year in office.
"What police officers felt yesterday after that press conference is that they were thrown under the bus," said Patrick Lynch, the head of the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, which represents rank-and-file officers. "If the mayor wants to change policies, and wants us to stand down against crime, then say that."
Hours after the grand jury declined to indict Daniel Pantaleo for the July death of Eric Garner, de Blasio gave an emotional speech at the church in which he connected the anger and sadness of the city's minority communities with his own fears about interactions between the police and his son Dante, who is half-black.
"I've had to worry over the years, (his wife) Chirlane has had to worry: Is Dante safe each night?" said de Blasio, adding that the danger emanated from both the criminals and "the very people they (children) want to have faith in as their protectors."
Lynch said that speech, praised by many for framing a citywide event on a personal level, painted the NYPD as pariahs.
"We shouldn't be teaching our children that we should be afraid of New York City police officers," he said. "We are the ones who are protecting our children. Your children."
De Blasio, when asked about Lynch's comments, denied criticizing the NYPD but said it was a "reality" that "a lot of people feel fear" of the police.
The moment was just the latest in a growing series of conflicts between the mayor and the police unions.
Before de Blasio even took office in January, the unions denounced his fiery rhetoric in which he criticized the police tactic known as stop-and-frisk for discriminating against minorities.
They also were skeptical of his close ties to the Rev. Al Sharpton, a longtime police critic, especially when the civil rights leader was given a prominent spot at City Hall to rail against Garner's death and Police Commissioner William Bratton.
The unions ? who are working on expired contracts ? then pounced when Rachel Noerdlinger, one of Sharpton's former aides who became de Blasio's wife's chief of staff, was found by the Department of Investigation to have omitted on her background check that she was living with her boyfriend, who had pleaded guilty of manslaughter and insulted police on his Facebook page.
After several other embarrassing revelations, Noerdlinger took a leave of absence. Meanwhile, the Sergeant's Benevolent Association took out a full-page ad in The New York Times opposing Brooklyn's 2016 Democratic National Convention bid because de Blasio "has not earned the right to play host" due to his "dangerous" public safety policies.
"The mayor has dropped the ball here by not showing any support for police," said Ed Mullins, head of the SBA.
Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky made an eyebrow-raising argument Wednesday evening, blaming cigarette taxes and the politicians who voted in favor of them for the death of Eric Garner, an African-American New Yorker who died in July after a white police officer put him in a chokehold.
Police officers suspected Garner of selling cigarettes illegally in Staten Island, and a grand jury’s decision to not charge the police officer has stoked racial tensions and protests across the country. The demonstrations have been intensified by a separate grand jury decision to not charge another white police officer for the death of unarmed black teen Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.
Paul told msnbc on Wednesday that “it’s hard not to watch that video of [Garner] saying, “’I can’t breathe, I can’t breathe’ and not be horrified by it. But I think there’s something bigger than just the individual circumstances.”
The likely 2016 presidential candidate continued, “I think it’s also important to know that some politician put a tax of $5.85 on a pack of cigarettes, so they’ve driven cigarettes underground by making them so expensive. But then some politician also had to direct the police to say, ‘Hey we want you arresting people for selling a loose cigarette.’
And for someone to die over breaking that law, there really is no excuse for it.
But I do blame the politicians. We put the police in a difficult situation with bad laws.”
Keep in mind selling loosies is not selling untaxed cigarettes.
The person selling the loosies pays the tax when he buys packs of cigarettes and then sells them individually to people who don't have the $10 to buy a whole pack.
Selling untaxed cigarettes would be selling them for $2 a pack.
The entire American economy is taxed in tens of thousands of different ways.
Pick a single way to tax people and cut out the 50,000 layers of redundancy.
Here are some of the most common taxes.
Capital gains tax Carbon tax Consumption tax Corporate tax - including the Excess profits tax, Windfall profits tax Development Impact Tax Direct tax Duty FairTax FICA tax Franchise tax Income Tax Indirect tax Inflation tax Inheritance tax Land value tax Payment in lieu of taxes Payroll tax Poll tax Property tax Sales tax Sin tax Stamp Duty Steering tax Subsidy Tariff Tax Farming Tithe Tobin tax Toll bridge Toll road Toll tunnel Transfer tax Value added tax Vehicle excise duty Wealth tax
Interesting how the cops are outraged because they absolutely can't fight crime unless allowed to choke people to death.
If you take away their ability to kill without consequence, what tools do they have left?
The only way the state works is if those that are governed accept the those that govern have the right to kill them without consequence. The reason cops are not indicted is because the state WANTS the people to know the police can kill. Makes people more compliant. And they certainly don't want to indict and convict a police officer that kills while on duty, because the government does not want the law enforcement to hesitate in their use of violence(up to and including homicide).
Law enforcement killing citizens, and citizens getting killed by law enforcement needs to continue to be socially acceptable. That's why cops are very rarely convict of homicide. It's almost always justifiable.
If you take away their ability to kill without consequence, what tools do they have left?
I suppose there are circumstances that require deadly force as self defense or the defense of others.
Allowing it for petty crimes, fleeing, resisting, or anytime they feel threatened or when they imagine a wallet, camera, cell phone or a bottle is a gun, is simply improper use of deadly force.
The same standard must apply to all persons.
Just imagine what the country would be like if everyone could kill whoever they want and say they thought he had a gun, but it was a Bible, Book, pack of cigarettes or any number of BS excuses?
In NY state, I'm required by law to flee from a threat provided I can do so safely, before using deadly force.
So if I'm being robbed at gunpoint and the perp gets distracted and looks the other way, I'm required to flee and leave the armed gunman that threatened my life alone.
It seems that my right to self defense is being infringed upon, whereas the cops infringe on the rights of innocent people by killing them.
I use the term innocent because they haven't been convicted.
Cops need to be forced to hold themselves to the same standards as non-cops.
The only way the state works is if those that are governed accept the those that govern have the right to kill them without consequence. The reason cops are not indicted is because the state WANTS the people to know the police can kill. Makes people more compliant. And they certainly don't want to indict and convict a police officer that kills while on duty, because the government does not want the law enforcement to hesitate in their use of violence(up to and including homicide).
Law enforcement killing citizens, and citizens getting killed by law enforcement needs to continue to be socially acceptable. That's why cops are very rarely convict of homicide. It's almost always justifiable.
The problem with allowing it, they send the message that killing is acceptable if you have a good reason.
Killing people is not a problem solving tool.
Every single cop that kills an unarmed person should be arrested.
Then let a real jury, in full view of the public, decide his innocence or guilt.
Everyone already knows that a cop will kill you over less than $20, and it serves as no deterrent at all.
The problem is that cops target the poorest people in the country upon which to inflict the law.
In a country where corporations hold all the rights to make money, and regular people are forbidden, unless granted government permission, to make money off of exactly the same items or services as the corporations.
The entire system creates poverty through the exclusion of equal rights.
Government licensing is not equal treatment under the law.
Patents and copyrights are not equal treatment under the law.
It's a mafia style structured system whereby the chosen people are granted the rights to destroy forests, pollute, and control all sales and services.
All others are thereby disenfranchised and have limited opportunities except to work for the corporate elite.
The cops target these same disenfranchised people for the smallest infractions to further aide the corporate overlords by providing them with slave labor for prison factories.
Equal rights is a myth.
They may have passed equal rights laws, but their interpretation of laws is defined by lawyers and corporate America.
I agree with Rand Paul.
Because I also believe that laws cause cops to abuse and kill people.
Does anyone remember when our local 'leaders' decided to get all hot and bothered over the menace of loosies? Did it coincide with the campaign in NYC? It seemed like a rather organized push to me. I can see someone not understanding how selling single cigarettes isn't tax evasion, at least not evasion of the cigarette tax, because our local pols don't understand things like taxes too well in general. I don't like to see individual police indicted for something they are directed to do, with a wink and a nod, by someone who remains above the fray at a distance. Remember Attica? Individual State Police officers hung out to dry. Not that I want to see cops killing citizens, just if it does happen, look at all the factors.
I suppose there are circumstances that require deadly force as self defense or the defense of others.
Cops need to be forced to hold themselves to the same standards as non-cops.
Every encounter with police that is initiated by police requires force and threats of violence. The level of intimidation and violence varies based on the level of non compliance. The cops will never hold themselves to the same standard as the mundane. That is giving up waaaaay too much power. The state doesn't cede power.
If you want to feel "safe", you must accept the collateral damage of cop homicide. You may one day be the collateral damage, but that is the price to pay if you want to feel safe.
There is a lawyer expression... "A good DA can indict a ham sandwich". If the DA wants to indict a defendant, it is a relatively easy process. In both of the recent cases, the DA DIDN'T WANT TO INDICT, so the defendant walked.
Only if the DA's in these cases were Democrats. Democrats would certainly seek justice in these police murders and get an indictment.
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.....there are repercussions to say the least!!!!!!
