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State of perpetual war seems to guarantee Obama and Congress remain popular and re-electable’
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Either the US is run by a bunch of fools, or it found it necessary to exist in a state of perpetual war, so when the US ran out of real bad guys, it goes out and creates new bad guys of its own making, former US diplomat Peter Mark van Buren told RT.

Peter Mark van Buren highlights that the “war drums have been beaten” over ISIS just a few days before the 13th anniversary of the 9/11 tragedy, a time when US citizens are hyper-sensitive to the issue of security and terrorism. He suggests the Administration might be taking advantage of people’s fears, as around a month ago the majority of Americans hadn’t even heard of ISIS, and now they support US military involvement.

“In a poll released by the Washington Post on September 9, 65% of Americans support airstrikes into Syria and 71% support airstrikes in Iraq. We are people that are easy to fool, people that are easy to be manipulated, and I am very afraid that our politicians including the President often do take advantage of that,” van Buren added.

“Obama had been beaten around the head and shoulders by his opponents for not being “tough” enough. And so what is his response? To do something that American people perceive as tough,” van Buren said.

He claims that ISIS has been in existence since 2007, and since then has not attempted to attack the American mainland.

“As for ISIS attacking the United States again, they have a long history and during that history they have not shown much of an interest or capability in attacking us. They do have a lot of money, but money does not instantly translate into the ability to bring people across international borders, arm them, have them conduct the surveillance and background work that is necessary for a major terrorist strike, and then pull it off all without any of the security forces hearing about it,” the former US diplomat told RT.

As regards US intentions to fight ISIS, Peter Mark van Buren argues that President Obama is “in the position now to commit the United States to another 3 years of war in Iraq,” however, it is clear that such a step will have implications for all actors in the Middle East.

“The idea that while the United States is engaged in this campaign across the border between Iraq and Syria the rest of the Middle East will just be sitting in a static form is absolutely foolish,” he says.

Another expert, Michael Maloof, who is former senior security policy analyst in the Office of the US Secretary of Defense, shares this view, adding that Washington cannot fight ISIS alone and even NATO has “no stomach to re-engage troops on the ground.” At the same time Maloof considers that calling on Arabs to go along with waging war on ISIS is a bad idea.

“The Arab world is unable to cope with that type of warfare that the ISIS army is undertaking, it’s not a ragtag group any longer, these guys are a fully-fledged army now, and they are very well trained and financed. To bring in the Arab world to do this Sunni fighting Sunni is also creating some potential political problems between the Administration and the other Arab countries,” he told RT.

Michael Maloof expects the US government to apply a three-phase approach, which is actually “too little too late.”

“First would be the continuation of the area bombing, second will be support for more troops and the troops that are on the ground from the Peshmerga to Iraqi forces, then the third is the decision whether or not to go ahead and bomb inside Syria. But again these phased approaches are like telegraphing to the ISIS leadership what our intensions are, and we have also announced that we are not going to have boots on the ground, which is something that we should never be conveying publicly,” Maloof said.

Former US diplomat Peter Mark van Buren also doubts the effectiveness of military action against ISIS since he thinks that “the concept of the Islamic State is an idea, but not a thing or a person,” and it is impossible to defeat the idea with arms.

“I think all these organizations represent ideas, very powerful ideas, that can be exported to different countries, where people who are disadvantaged, people who are afraid of their own governments, people who are afraid of America projecting power into their countries become a very fertile audience for that idea. So whether it is carried by Al-Qaeda or it is carried by ISIS or it is carried by Abu Sayyaf in the Philippines, or the organizations that are fighting in Somalia, it is an idea and you simply cannot defeat an idea,” van Buren said.
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Yes, coward.

Joining the military because of the fear of the draft, was your membership into the coward4life club.

Saying no, and spitting on baby killers isn't cowardice.

Paranoid induced cowardice.


"...fear the draft...."  that would be you loser.
I never "feared it" as you say...as I stated, I said
I was going to make the choice and not them...that's fear????
Cowardice is SPITTING and calling people killers, etc.
Cowardice is doing it in cyberspace but not have the balls to do it
in person, as you have displayed.  So again I ask, have you
''spit on your father, your uncle and other family members yet?
I'm sure if you did they would kick your sorry fat-a**, as anyone else would do it
you tried it in real life.  So YOU are the coward, clear and undeniable!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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It is not a coward that stands up to baby killers.

It is you who chose the coward'spath4life.

ISIS is under your bed.

Big brave man.
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"...fear the draft...."
I was going to make the choice and not them...that's fear????


Yes, coward.

Totally.

There was no threat to the US.

You supported the event, resulting in half a million dead civilians.

A brave person would have refused to kill for other people's gain.

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"...fear the draft...."  ...as I stated, I said
I was going to make the choice and not them...!


Because you feared the alternative.

Thank God you chose to protect our freedom that was in imminent danger.

Just like you choose to support more fear induced hysterical death and destruction today.



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Three, count them THREE immature, useless rants from the spitting COWARD himself.
So when will you answer the question....
Do you only threaten to spit on people in cyberspace, or did you actually
spit on your Dad and Uncle?  How about it Mr. Brave boy...are you a boy of
action or simple a cyber hider???? Same crap you always post when you
go off your meds!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Three, count them THREE immature, useless rants from the spitting COWARD himself.
So when will you answer the question....
Do you only threaten to spit on people in cyberspace, or did you actually
spit on your Dad and Uncle?  How about it Mr. Brave boy...are you a boy of
action or simple a cyber hider???? Same crap you always post when you
go off your meds!


You forgot to mention my older brother too.

He was afraid of the draft and enlisted too.

My response was, "you are afraid of being drafted into the military so you enlisted"?

He said yes.

He was also a brainwashed coward.

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Three, count them THREE immature, useless rants from ...???? Same crap you always post when you
go off your meds!


Yes, same crap, different location.

A new stop has been added to the US Military Death And Destruction World Tour.

It's not crap.

War and destruction is the crap that will kill the US.

We are following the same path of unsustainable military spending and growth that killed off the other superpower.

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You forgot to mention my older brother too.

He was afraid of the draft and enlisted too.

My response was, "you are afraid of being drafted into the military so you enlisted"?

He said yes.

He was also a brainwashed coward.



HILARIOUS!  You circle around and avoid the question.
Cyber threats and name calling bullying....
real life COWARD and HYPOCRITE!!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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Rand Paul: BOMB EM IN SYRIA & IRAQ

Rand Paul’s Fans Hate His ISIS Plan
The senator disappointed his fringe, libertarian followers with his support of airstrikes.


In June, Rand Paul was very skeptical about bombing ISIS.
In August, he was ambivalent.
In September, he strongly supported airstrikes.

Rand Paul... Just One More Republican Politician!
http://www.weeklystandard.com/.....e-policy_804703.html


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Rand Paul President Barack Obama: BOMB EM IN SYRIA & IRAQ

Rand Paul’s Obama Fans Hated His ISIS Plan before they loved it...And we still don't know what it is!
The senator disappointed his followers with his support of airstrikes....But then realized that it wasn't Bush, so it was all cool then


In June, Rand Paul Barack Obama was very skeptical about bombing ISIS.
In August, he was ambivalent, but then decided that the Authorizations for Use of Military Force, that he wanted to repeal, wasn't so bad after all since he didn't have to deal with Congress.
In September, he strongly supported airstrikes.

Rand Paul, Barack Obama... Just Another Politician!
http://www.weeklystandard.com/.....e-policy_804703.html



So let's recap....

Anyone who is not a Leftist Progressive Statist......Changing your position is 'hypocrisy' and should be ridiculed and burned at the stake for being a witch.

Anyone who is a Leftist Progressive Statist......Changing your position is 'evolving your position' and is met with cheers.

  





"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

Melania is a bimbo... she is there to look at, not to listen to. --- Box A Rox and his 'War on Women'

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Cyber threats ...



Feel free to post any threat that I have made.

I believe that it was you who made threats of violence.

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When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Feel free to post any threat that I have made.

I believe that it was you who made threats of violence.



You have clearly stated you would SPIT on me or anyone else that served in Vietnam, etc.  
That is an act of batter, considered to be violence. Do you honestly believe that is not a threat????

So now show where I have threatened you! Puleeeze!  and while you're at it, tell us all
how you have carried out this act against your own father, uncle and brother....or again,
are you just a cyber bully with your threats! Come on hypocrite, let's hear it!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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In June, Rand Paul was The Anti Bomb Candidate
In August, he was the Maybe We'll Bomb Em Candidate.
In September, he's Dr Strangelove!!!  LETS NUKE EM!

Some might call it Evolution...
Others might call it, an awakening to Reality...
But we all know what the reason for the Rand Paul Flip Flop...

Rand Paul can't get elected if he doesn't bend to the will of the Right Wingers.  
(Randy Is Just One More Republican)


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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