Prove it: Court rules states can make voters prove citizenship Election commission can’t stop voter ID laws By Stephen Dinan The Washington Times Wednesday, March 19, 2014
**FILE** Aaron Belenky shows part of a letter from election officials while standing in front of his apartment in Overland Park, Kan., on Aug. 14, 2013. The letter lists the valid citizenship documents needed to register to vote in Kansas for the first time. Belenky allowed the American Civil Liberties Union to list him as one of three aggrieved voters in a notice sent this week to Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach. (Associated Press)
A U.S. District Court judge ruled Wednesday that Arizona and Kansas can require anyone registering to vote to prove their citizenship and the federal Election Assistance Commission cannot block them.
The ruling is a boost for states’ rights and marks a setback for President Obama and other liberals who fought stiffer voter ID checks with an argument that they reduce voter turnout.
“This is a huge victory for me, personally, for the states of Kansas and Arizona, and for the whole cause of states’ rights,” said Kansas Secretary of State Kris W. Kobach, who led the challenge. “We’ve seen so many defeats recently in areas where the federal government has been encroaching on states’ authorities, and this time the good guys won.”
In his ruling, Judge Eric F. Melgren said the EAC, which Congress created after the 2000 Florida voting fiasco, must accede to states’ requests for people to provide proof of citizenship when they register to vote.
Wisconsin Republican Legislator Tears Into His Own Party For Voter Suppression
Wisconsin Sen. Dale Schultz: It’s just, I think, sad when a political party — my political party — has so lost faith in its ideas that it’s pouring all of its energy into election mechanics. And again, I’m a guy who understands and appreciates what we should be doing in order to make sure every vote counts, every vote is legitimate. But that fact is, it ought to be abundantly clear to everybody in this state that there is no massive voter fraud. The only thing that we do have in this state is we have long lines of people who want to vote. And it seems to me that we should be doing everything we can to make it easier, to help these people get their votes counted. And that we should be pitching as political parties our ideas for improving things in the future, rather than mucking around in the mechanics and making it more confrontational at the voting sites and trying to suppress the vote.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
A 2011 study by the non-partisan Brennan Center found just seven cases of voter fraud in Wisconsin’s 2004 election, out of three million votes cast — a fraud rate of just 0.0002 percent.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
A 2011 study by the non-partisan Brennan Center found just seven cases of voter fraud in Wisconsin’s 2004 election, out of three million votes cast — a fraud rate of just 0.0002 percent.
Just because there is no fraud now, does not mean there won't be in the future.. I would much rather make sure the horses are locked in the barn instead leaving the door wide open and hoping they won't leave... and then hoping again I can corral them all back in. It should be very easy to develop a national ID system based on citizenship where a drivers license is not necessary....how would this be different than any other government program? We seem to have no trouble signing up people for those....
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Just because there is no fraud now, does not mean there won't be in the future.. I would much rather make sure the horses are locked in the barn instead leaving the door wide open and hoping they won't leave... and then hoping again I can corral them all back in. It should be very easy to develop a national ID system based on citizenship where a drivers license is not necessary....how would this be different than any other government program? We seem to have no trouble signing up people for those....
If that program were in place long before election day, and was found not to disenfranchise voters, I still find it unnecessary but would go along with it. The present push isn't for the purpose of ending the very rare issue of 'voter fraud' but to limit the number of poor, and minority voters... Republican Voter Suppression!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
"Election Fraud" however is a very real issue and something both parties should be involved in preventing. Somehow, the GOP isn't interested in that problem... their push is to steal elections by voter suppression, not to insure a fair vote by limiting election fraud.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
"Election Fraud" however is a very real issue and something both parties should be involved in preventing. Somehow, the GOP isn't interested in that problem... their push is to steal elections by voter suppression, not to insure a fair vote by limiting election fraud.
Who is limited by showing an ID, it doesn't have to be a drivers license it can be a regular photo identification card.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Who is limited by showing an ID, it doesn't have to be a drivers license it can be a regular photo identification card.
For your answer, read the 354 posts in the thread "FIGHT VOTER SUPPRESSION" under "....And In The Rest Of The Country"
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
For your answer, read the 354 posts in the thread "FIGHT VOTER SUPPRESSION" under "....And In The Rest Of The Country"
This is the picture you posted on that thread, so when did blacks, Hispanics, women, anti-gun nuts, wall st. guys, old people, college kids, and gays lose their right to get a photo ID. Well since they never lost that right I'm guessing you have another reason why this would not allow them to vote.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
York: When 1,099 felons vote in race won by 312 ballots By Byron York | AUGUST 6, 2012 AT 6:35 PM Photo - Sen. Al Franken (Getty Images) Sen. Al Franken (Getty Images)
In the eyes of the Obama administration, most Democratic lawmakers, and left-leaning editorial pages across the country, voter fraud is a problem that doesn't exist. Allegations of fraud, they say, are little more than pretexts conjured up by Republicans to justify voter ID laws designed to suppress Democratic turnout.
That argument becomes much harder to make after reading a discussion of the 2008 Minnesota Senate race in "Who's Counting?", a new book by conservative journalist John Fund and former Bush Justice Department official Hans von Spakovsky. Although the authors cover the whole range of voter fraud issues, their chapter on Minnesota is enough to convince any skeptic that there are times when voter fraud not only exists but can be critical to the outcome of a critical race.
This is the picture you posted on that thread, so when did blacks, Hispanics, women, anti-gun nuts, wall st. guys, old people, college kids, and gays lose their right to get a photo ID. Well since they never lost that right I'm guessing you have another reason why this would not allow them to vote.
The very first post: Congressman Denied the Right to Vote Lincoln Davis, a former four-term congressman from Tennessee, was denied the right to vote in his hometown after poll workers said he had been purged from the voting rolls.
Here is a man who had YOUR PHOTO ID... but was denied his RIGHT TO VOTE! It's called voter suppression.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
York: When 1,099 felons vote in race won by 312 ballots By Byron York | AUGUST 6, 2012 AT 6:35 PM Photo - Sen. Al Franken (Getty Images) Sen. Al Franken (Getty Images)
In the eyes of the Obama administration, most Democratic lawmakers, and left-leaning editorial pages across the country, voter fraud is a problem that doesn't exist. Allegations of fraud, they say, are little more than pretexts conjured up by Republicans to justify voter ID laws designed to suppress Democratic turnout.
That argument becomes much harder to make after reading a discussion of the 2008 Minnesota Senate race in "Who's Counting?", a new book by conservative journalist John Fund and former Bush Justice Department official Hans von Spakovsky. Although the authors cover the whole range of voter fraud issues, their chapter on Minnesota is enough to convince any skeptic that there are times when voter fraud not only exists but can be critical to the outcome of a critical race.
I guess we are going to repost everything in the "Fight Voter Suppression" Thread.
(Right Winger Propaganda works on some people, and Shadow is one of it's greatest fans!)
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In July 2010, Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group, conducted a study in which they claimed that at least 341 convicted felons in the largely Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul area voted illegally in the Senate race. Subsequent investigations of Minnesota Majority's claims by election officials found that many of their allegations were incorrect. Some of the cases that were submitted involved mistaking a legal voter for a felon with the same name, others involved felons who had had their voting rights reinstated after serving their sentences, and others were felons who illegally registered to vote, but did not vote in 2008 election
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
We are advised NOT to judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works.
The very first post: Congressman Denied the Right to Vote Lincoln Davis, a former four-term congressman from Tennessee, was denied the right to vote in his hometown after poll workers said he had been purged from the voting rolls.
Here is a man who had YOUR PHOTO ID... but was denied his RIGHT TO VOTE! It's called voter suppression.
So it had zero to do with his ID, the same screw up could have been made in any state where voter registration is required. What happened was wrong but it had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
So it had zero to do with his ID, the same screw up could have been made in any state where voter registration is required. What happened was wrong but it had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
VOTER ID??? If you need a voter ID, to prove your citizenship, then it is the same topic... VOTER SUPPRESSION!
Again, the FIX solves a non existent problem. Voter fraud is a non issue... except for the purpose of suppressing votes.
From the NY Times 2007:
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In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud
WASHINGTON, April 11 — Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews.
Although Republican activists have repeatedly said fraud is so widespread that it has corrupted the political process and, possibly, cost the party election victories, about 120 people have been charged and 86 convicted as of last year.
Most of those charged have been Democrats, voting records show. Many of those charged by the Justice Department appear to have mistakenly filled out registration forms or misunderstood eligibility rules, a review of court records and interviews with prosecutors and defense lawyers show.
314 million Americans... 86 convicted of voter fraud. And you're going to continue to fight a non existent problem even though it will rob thousands of Americans of their right to vote.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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