I fear none of the groups that you named Box, nor do I fear the government. I believe in being prepared and helping myself and not to need or depend on anyone else especially the government.
I fear none of the groups that you named Box, nor do I fear the government. I believe in being prepared and helping myself and not to need or depend on anyone else especially the government.
The good people of Oklahoma City didn't "fear" Timothy McVeigh either. But they should have.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The good people of Oklahoma City didn't "fear" Timothy McVeigh either. But they should have.
...because there is a McVeigh lurking around every corner. That's why everybody's electronic communications must be tapped and stored by the government. YOU, may be the next McVeigh!
A healthy and free society always monitors every citizen, just to make sure they are acting freely. How would you know if people were acting free if nobody is watching?
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Matthew Fairfield, a suburban Cleveland man who has been sitting in jail since April in lieu of $1 million bail as he awaits trial on 54 criminal counts related to his alleged storing of a live napalm bomb at his suburban Cleveland, Ohio, home, as well as keeping explosives at a friend’s home in Cleveland. A judge this week ruled that Fairfield, 30, is competent to stand trial.
Fairfield is the president of a local Oath Keepers chapter.
Fairfield was arrested after police found a napalm bomb and another explosive device above the garage at his house in the city of North Olmsted. They also confiscated two assault rifles and several other firearms from the Cleveland home. Fairfield was convicted and sentenced to two years of probation in February for carrying concealed weapons, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Are you typing this from under your bed box I will ask again what order they will not follow are you against, I gave the list?
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Are you typing this from under your bed box I will ask again what order they will not follow are you against, I gave the list?
"I will ask again what order they will not follow are you against,"
I've stated my position several times on this issue.
You call a cop who happens to be an OathCreaper... My neighbor has been threatening the neighborhood with a gun... Will this Barney Fife disarm the threatening neighbor?
Hmmmmmmmmm!!! He'd have to think about it. First... HE SWORE NOT TO DISARM CITIZENS. and second... and more importantly... His Version of the US constitution will decide if he has the authority to disarm the offender. Not the supreme court's official view, not his police training, not NY State Law... but if he happens to think that (in his personal opinion) that it would violate HIS VIEW of the US constitution, he would allow the offender to continue to threaten his neighbors.
He answers only to himself and his bogus oath to the OathCreapers. HE disobeys his OATH that he took when entering military service or the police and instead HE REPRESENTS THE OATHCREAPERS... NOT HIS CITY, OR TOWN OR HIS COUNTY OR NY STATE, OR THE FEDERAL GOVT.
This is just one graphic example of the danger they are pushing on their neighbors. If you believe in OUR US CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS... then you must oppose this extremist group.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
And More OathCreaper Vigilantes/Domestic Terrorists:
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A Georgia Oath Keeper was busted for allegedly plotting to take control of a Madisonville, Tenn., courthouse and place two dozen federal, state and local officials under citizen’s arrest. Police nabbed Darren Huff in his pickup truck, which was adorned with the Oath Keepers logo, before that could happen. He was armed with a pistol and an assault rifle.
Huff’s bizarre scheme, according to authorities, was an apparent attempt to prevent another man, Walter Francis Fitzpatrick, from facing trial for his earlier effort to place a grand jury foreman under citizen’s arrest. Fitzpatrick, a retired Navy commander, is a leader in American Grand Jury — another antigovernment “Patriot” group like the Oath Keepers — that goes around the country issuing “presentments” for the indictment of President Obama for fraud because he supposedly is not a “natural born” U.S. citizen and is therefore ineligible to serve as president.
(These OathCeapers are Nuckin Futts)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So you find fault in someone using their own judgement is what you are saying, you just want mindless zombies who will only obey the higher command no matter what order is given. Thanks for this topic, you made a few new supporters of the Oath Keepers by doing so
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
So you find fault in someone using their own judgement is what you are saying, you just want mindless zombies who will only obey the higher command no matter what order is given. Thanks for this topic, you made a few new supporters of the Oath Keepers by doing so
Note to board: Henry is now shifting from a discussion, to a Straw Man. (He's knowingly misrepresenting my position because he doesn't have a valid argument for his reply)
OK. Henry Straw Man Time!
Yes Henry I want mindless zombies who only obey. YUP that's what I posted! Ya got me!@!! And I'm glad that I helped your cause!!!
YUP there's nothing like a good ole mindless Straw Man to complicate a reasonable discussion. Thanks for the Help Mr Straw Man!
If you find that you now have a reasonable reply, please post it.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Box you're making too many assumptions about what any Oath Keeper would do. Nobody can see into the future and know what the facts are until after the event happens. Our government has brought most of the mistrust against it by their own actions. They have lied, spied on, prosecuted unjustly, denied the rights of some, and created a climate of fear by their actions against it's citizens.
Note to board: Henry is now shifting from a discussion, to a Straw Man. (He's knowingly misrepresenting my position because he doesn't have a valid argument for his reply) ]
You're playing a what if game, when you do that anything goes, if that isn't a straw man what is. What I got from your post is that you don't want people to use their own judgement because some higher up told them this is what is right or wrong.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
Box you're making too many assumptions about what any Oath Keeper would do. Nobody can see into the future and know what the facts are until after the event happens. Our government has brought most of the mistrust against it by their own actions. They have lied, spied on, prosecuted unjustly, denied the rights of some, and created a climate of fear by their actions against it's citizens.
Did bush lie? Did Nixon? Did Reagan? Did BillyBob Clinton lie about Monica??? Why no OathCreapers then??? Hummmmm What's different about Obama from former lying presidents??? Let me think... Could it be??? Do you think it's possible??? OBAMA'S AMERICA'S FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT! ' All these presidents have lied, spied on us, denied our rights but only the first BLACK PRESIDENT brings out the OathCreapers... and what does their oath SPECIFICALLY SAY??? THAT THEY WON'T OBEY US PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA! To put it in common terms..."I ain't takin no orders from no N****R!
Well Shadow, I think we've discovered the real reason the OathCreapers were formed!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
You're playing a what if game, when you do that anything goes, if that isn't a straw man what is. What I got from your post is that you don't want people to use their own judgement because some higher up told them this is what is right or wrong.
I Don't Want People To Use Their Own Judgement On What Is or Is NOT Constitutional. RIGHT! I want police to follow the directives of the state of ny or the federal govt or the county, city or town that they live in. Police are trained EXACTLY on when to arrest... when a law is questionable or when they've crossed the line. His PERSONAL OPINION is irrelevant. His training tells him when to arrest... if he has a problem with a law he should seek advice from his superiors or if they don't know then from the NY attorney general.
Do you really want some backwoods local sheriff deputy deciding your constitutional rights? I don't
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I Don't Want People To Use Their Own Judgement On What Is or Is NOT Constitutional. RIGHT! I want police to follow the directives of the state of ny or the federal govt or the county, city or town that they live in. Police are trained EXACTLY on when to arrest... when a law is questionable or when they've crossed the line. His PERSONAL OPINION is irrelevant. His training tells him when to arrest... if he has a problem with a law he should seek advice from his superiors or if they don't know then from the NY attorney general.
Do you really want some backwoods local sheriff deputy deciding your constitutional rights? I don't
Your full of sh*t box, so when you get pulled over you demand a ticket because you broke a law, or do you like every person I know pray he lets you off with a warning. Cops should use reasonable judgement even with a arrestable offenses, if he catches a kid with half a joint are you saying he should lock him up for it and fck up that kids future with a drug record. You don't believe he shouldn't be able to crush the joint on the ground and tell him not to do it again.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
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I will ask again what order they will not follow are you against, I gave the list?
