The rounds spread but its not like in the movies You're not going to take out 5 people at 20ft
If I wanted to knock down one man, I'd use 00 buckshot or a 12 ga slug. You will hit your target with 8 or so shot or with one large slug. Larger shot penetrates deeper, but hits a smaller pattern.
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Larger shot numbers mean smaller pellets: The diameter of birdshot is equal to .17" minus the shot number: #4 shot is .13" in diameter. 000 buckshot; is .36", 00 is .33", #4 buck is .24".
The smaller the shot, the less penetration but the larger the pattern. ... as any good GunHugger knows!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So do the OathCreapers get to carry outlawed, Illegal guns simply because they want to? Do the OathCreapers have to follow the law or are they exempt from our law by their "SPECIAL STATUS"?
My guess... the Rabid Right will run from the OathCreapers when they see pics of them in full battle dress marching through neighborhoods.
Sort of like this:
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
at an Oath Keepers rally last summer, July’s Northwest Patriots and Self Reliance Rally in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho featured representatives from the John Birch Society, which promotes the idea that the fluoridation of water is actually a Communist plot, and patriot movement favorite Richard Mack, a former Arizona sheriff who has urged county sheriffs to violate federal gun laws. The gathering’s schedule also included a workshop on colloidal silver, a substance that, despite having no known medical use, is believed by many radicals to be a cure-all that the government has been hiding from the American people. (Really! They are THAT crazy)
There were training sessions on nighttime military patrols, firearms, and hand-to-hand combat, and seminars on the U.N. sustainability plan Agenda 21, which conspiracy theorists argue is a plot to force the U.S. into socialism. The Oath Keepers’ willingness to associate with these people and promote such ideas was critical evidence of the group’s own extremist tendencies.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
If I wanted to knock down one man, I'd use 00 buckshot or a 12 ga slug. You will hit your target with 8 or so shot or with one large slug. Larger shot penetrates deeper, but hits a smaller pattern.
The smaller the shot, the less penetration but the larger the pattern. ... as any good GunHugger knows!
Yup and you wouldn't use birdshot (if you were smart) to take down a man, you would use a 00 or slug
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
My guess... the Rabid Right will run from the OathCreapers when they see pics of them in full battle dress marching through neighborhoods.
Sort of like this:
I don't want to see that....oh wait we already see it. I would trust an Oathkeeper more then I trust a hired goon who swears his oath to only the paycheck.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
So do the OathCreapers get to carry outlawed, Illegal guns simply because they want to? Do the OathCreapers have to follow the law or are they exempt from our law by their "SPECIAL STATUS"?
My guess... the Rabid Right will run from the OathCreapers when they see pics of them in full battle dress marching through neighborhoods.
Sort of like this:
Those are national socialist box, their special status derived from the GOVERNMENT'S passage of laws. They marched around and squashed what was the German equivalent to Oathkeepers. In Nazi Germany, the Oathkeepers would have been accused of starting Reichstag Fire.
I don't want to see that....oh wait we already see it. I would trust an Oathkeeper more then I trust a hired goon who swears his oath to only the paycheck.
I'd rather see troops when needed (like in Boston or Katrina) than to see Right Wing political militia WITH ABSOLUTELY NO AUTHORIZATION AND NO OVERSIGHT BY ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES.
With US troops or cops the US Constitution protects our rights. If OathCreapers take over, they are responsible to no one except themselves. They will eliminate the opposition and declare victory.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
OHHH...So subject the underclass to tyranny and whippings for a few generations until a civil war and the 13th Amendment is passed. Got it! After all, you wouldn't want to disrupt the order by defending an abused underclass, because the abuse was deemed constitutional by 9 justices. And that's all that matters, the opinion of 9 justices.
It's funny to watch Cicero flip flop on this board. They SAY they believe in the US Constitution. The US constitution with an Executive, a Legislative, and a Judicial branch... Then Cissy dismisses the Judicial branch as if they were not in the Constitution. "And that's all that matters, the opinion of 9 justices"
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
With US troops or cops the US Constitution protects our rights. If OathCreapers take over, they are responsible to no one except themselves. They will eliminate the opposition and declare victory.
Really and how many cases of polices brutality and illegal searches have we seen, the constitution didn't protect sh*t, it might help after the infringement was made. When people think they have authority over others rights are easily trampled, this is why so many colonist didn't trust standing armies and for good reason.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
It's funny to watch Cicero flip flop on this board. They SAY they believe in the US Constitution. The US constitution with an Executive, a Legislative, and a Judicial branch... Then Cissy dismisses the Judicial branch as if they were not in the Constitution. "And that's all that matters, the opinion of 9 justices"
Flip flop? All branches of government are corruptible, I've been consistent that all 3 branches have not been governing to the will of the people, but rather the will of the party, which means the will of the lobbyist. The Constitution has been usurped by all branches of government by both parties.
That is why jury nullification is important. When the corrupt government tries people for WHAT THE GOVERNED decides are unconstitutional laws, it is up to the citizen to nullify these laws from the jury box, and free those people being charged with laws that do not represent the will of the people.
Many OathCreapers are former members of The US Military. As such they have taken an oath that doesn't expire when the leave active military:
The OathCreapers are telling you to denounce the oath that you took when you became a soldier, sailor, airman or marine.
They contend that you and only you should decide what is or isn't Constitutional. OathCreapers obey their OPINION of the US Constitution... OathCreapers decide what IS and what IS NOT Constitutional.
If they decide that your backyard is where they want to set up their command post.... what are you going to do about it? Call the police? many of them ARE THE POLICE.
All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing
just because something is legal doesn't make it right just because something is illegal doesn't make it wrong
based on who's opinion? your opinion of who you think is an expert?
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
Really and how many cases of polices brutality and illegal searches have we seen, the constitution didn't protect sh*t, it might help after the infringement was made. When people think they have authority over others rights are easily trampled, this is why so many colonist didn't trust standing armies and for good reason.
Yea! Paranoia runs deep on this board.
I'm a little older than you are and I've heard the "Govt Is Gonna Get Ya" since I was a kid. Johnson's gonna get ya! Nixon's gonna get ya and he's sellin us out to the Red Chinese! Kissinger is secretly gonna get ya! Carter is too incompetent to get ya! The TriLateral Commission is gonna get ya! The UN is gonna get ya! Etc etc etc. NONE OF EM GOT US!
If you are the type to believe in that agenda, then it doesn't matter who's in power, paranoia will feed into the "Gonna get ya" of the day.
Since 1776 Poverty DID GET YA!. Dying for lack of health care DID GET YA! Wars DID GET YA! Racism DID GET YA! Crime DID GET YA! Disease DID GET YA! AND MANY MORE!
You can stick to your paranoia. I'll worry about the reality.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
I'm a little older than you are and I've heard the "Govt Is Gonna Get Ya" since I was a kid. Johnson's gonna get ya! Nixon's gonna get ya and he's sellin us out to the Red Chinese! Kissinger is secretly gonna get ya! Carter is too incompetent to get ya! The TriLateral Commission is gonna get ya! The UN is gonna get ya! Etc etc etc. NONE OF EM GOT US!
If you are the type to believe in that agenda, then it doesn't matter who's in power, paranoia will feed into the "Gonna get ya" of the day.
Since 1776 Poverty DID GET YA!. Dying for lack of health care DID GET YA! Wars DID GET YA! Racism DID GET YA! Crime DID GET YA! Disease DID GET YA! AND MANY MORE!
You can stick to your paranoia. I'll worry about the reality.
Talk about paranoia, you want every American be subject to a government background check and approved to purchase a gun. Box paranoia - every American that wants to buy a gun is GONNA GET YA!
Talk about paranoia, you want every American be subject to a government background check and approved to purchase a gun. Box paranoia - every American that wants to buy a gun is GONNA GET YA!
Handing out guns to people who have the money but are insane or convicted dangerous felons is asking to be shot.
A background check is a reasonable law that if done right places no more burden on the consumer than a credit card check.
Federal gun database of all guns sold in the USA would do a lot to capture killers who are on our streets today. Or We can keep on doing this:
Country Guns per 100 Firearm Deaths per 100,000 United States 88.8 10.2 Switzerland 45.7 3.84 Finland 45.3 3.64 Sweden 31.6 1.47 Norway 31.3 1.78 France 31.2 3 Canada 30.8 2.44 Austria 30.4 2.94 Iceland 30.3 1.25 Germany 30.3 1.1 New Zealand22.6 2.66 Greece 22.5 1.5 Belgium 17.2 2.43 Luxembourg 15.3 1.81 Australia 15 1.04 South Africa12.7 9.41 Turkey 12.5 0.72 Denmark 12 1.45 Malta 11.9 2.16 Italy 11.9 1.28 Spain 10.4 0.63 Ireland 8.6 1.03 Portugal 8.5 1.77 Israel 7.3 1.86 United Kingdom 6.2 0.25 Netherlands 3.9 0.46 Japan 0.6 0.06
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
“These are big boys who like to play with guns and they like to justify that by saying they’re defending the constitution. They’re really just an anti-government group who believe in a wild set of conspiracy theories.”
No thanks!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
You're not going to take out 5 people at 20ft 
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Paranoia runs deep on this board. 
