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Henry
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Is that how you judge the mood of America Henry.  You look around at a few Right Wing Blogs and
then just invent data from your observation?

America will support reasonable actions to help prevent the return of Chemical Weapons.



Your source is from June box, the majority want nothing to do with Syria, get off your knees and go look.


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Your source is from June box, the majority want nothing to do with Syria, get off your knees and go look.


OK... I'm waiting for a source more recent than mine.  
Do you have anything other than your opinion???


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OK... I'm waiting for a source more recent than mine.  
Do you have anything other than your opinion???


The Reuters/Ipsos poll, taken August 19-23, found that 25 percent of Americans would support U.S. intervention if Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's forces used chemicals to attack civilians, while 46 percent would oppose it. That represented a decline in backing for U.S. action since August 13, when Reuters/Ipsos tracking polls found that 30.2 percent of Americans supported intervention in Syria if chemicals had been used, while 41.6 percent did not.


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The Reuters/Ipsos poll, taken August 19-23, found that 25 percent of Americans would support U.S. intervention if Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's forces used chemicals to attack civilians, while 46 percent would oppose it. That represented a decline in backing for U.S. action since August 13, when Reuters/Ipsos tracking polls found that 30.2 percent of Americans supported intervention in Syria if chemicals had been used, while 41.6 percent did not.


I support an 'effective' attack that would limit the use of chemical weapons in the area, by either side.

IMO, Iran, who was the subject of a similar attack a few months ago, is watching to see if the USA will
step in when international laws are breached on this issue.

If the USA backs away from the Chemical issue in Syria, Iran will have the green light to use them
against their enemies.  

The president is now talking about a "symbolic" attack.  I doubt that would be effective and I would be
against some show of force with no real impact on Chemical weapons.

Again.  I'm against helping either side in this conflict.
I'm for an action that would limit the use of Chemical weapons.


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I support an 'effective' attack that would limit the use of chemical weapons in the area, by either side.

IMO, Iran, who was the subject of a similar attack a few months ago, is watching to see if the USA will
step in when international laws are breached on this issue.

If the USA backs away from the Chemical issue in Syria, Iran will have the green light to use them
against their enemies.  

The president is now talking about a "symbolic" attack.  I doubt that would be effective and I would be
against some show of force with no real impact on Chemical weapons.

Again.  I'm against helping either side in this conflict.
I'm for an action that would limit the use of Chemical weapons.


This is not about chemicals box this is about returning the upper hand to the rebels, they have been on this for months, what do you think the recent talks were for before this, it was to fund and arm them to give them the upper hand. This is why I said Assad had nothing to gain by using these weapons but the FSA surely did and they used them before. When it was found out Sarin was used months ago everyone in DC prepared to act, then it automatically stopped once they learned it was the FSA behind it. Now they were trying to rush a attack before the proof is even out and once again they blamed Assad, this is why nobody buys it anymore even with the media and politicians pushing hard to get support.


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bush war bad- obama war good

besides, bombing them is not war, it is a sign of love and peace


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bush war bad- obama war good

besides, bombing them is not war, it is a sign of love and peace


I'm glad you added your well thought out input Graham!  

It's a take off on your often quoted "Bush Bad, Obama Good" theme!


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This is not about chemicals box this is about returning the upper hand to the rebels, they have been on this for months, what do you think the recent talks were for before this, it was to fund and arm them to give them the upper hand. This is why I said Assad had nothing to gain by using these weapons but the FSA surely did and they used them before. When it was found out Sarin was used months ago everyone in DC prepared to act, then it automatically stopped once they learned it was the FSA behind it. Now they were trying to rush a attack before the proof is even out and once again they blamed Assad, this is why nobody buys it anymore even with the media and politicians pushing hard to get support.


I don't buy your assessment Henry.  Aiding the rebels is aiding Al Qaeda.  No matter how this turns out
any situation that supports Al Qaeda is against US interests.

IMO, this mission is about Chemical Weapons, not aiding either side.


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~Apr. 18: Britain and France provide letters to the United Nations claiming possession of
evidence that chemical weapons have been utilized multiple times in the time since December,
including in and around the cities of Aleppo, Homs and possibly Damascus.

~Apr. 25: Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel and Secretary of State John Kerry each say that
evidence exists that chemical weapons have been used

~May 2: Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan tells Japanese media that it is “clear that
the Assad regime” is using chemical weapon

~Jun. 5: France says that it is now “certain” that the Syrian government used sarin gas in multiple
attacks against civilians.

~Jun. 13: The Obama administration finally says that it has confirmed that the Syrian government
used chemical weapons against civilians.

~Jun. 18: The Group of 8 (G8) — which consists of the United States, United Kingdom, France,
Germany, Italy, Canada, Japan, and Russia — issue a statement in which they “condemn in the
strongest terms any use of chemical weapons and all human rights violations in Syria.” The
document refrains, however, from assigning blame for their use.

~Jul. 10: Russian U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin says that Russia’s scientists dispute the
findings of Western intelligence agencies, instead claiming that it was the rebels who launched
the assault using a “homemade rocket.”

~Aug. 21: Israeli intelligence indicates that “certain types of chemical weapons were moved
in advance to the same Damascus suburbs where the attack allegedly took place a week ago,”
according to the Wall Street Journal. The CIA was reportedly able to verify this evidence.

~Aug. 22: France urges a military response to Syrian chemical weapons usage.

~Aug. 22: Israel agrees publicly that chemical weapons were launched in Syria

~Aug. 22: Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Aleksandr Lukashevich suggests it was in
fact the rebels who used chemical weapons as part of a “a provocation planned in advance.”

~Aug. 25: Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN) and Rep. Eliot Engel (D-NY), ranking members of the Senate
Foreign Relations and House Foreign Affairs committees respectively, both come out in
favor of the U.S. using force to punish Assad for using chemical weapons.

~Aug. 26: Russian President Vladimir Putin tells British Prime Minister David Cameron that
no evidence exists that the most recent chemical weapons attack ever happened.

~Aug. 26: Secretary Kerry in a statement at the State Department press briefing calls
Syrian chemical weapons use a “moral obscenity,” laying the blame on the shoulders of
Assad’s government.

~Aug. 27: Sen. Corker tells Fox News on Tuesday that he believes that the administration
has fulfilled the requirements of the War Powers Resolution in consulting Congress.

Aug. 27: The League of Arab States issues a statement casting the blame for using
chemical weapons on the Syrian gove

~Aug. 27: Vice President Joe Biden in a speech became the highest ranking administration
official label the Assad regime as the perpetrator of the last week’s attack.rnment,

~Aug. 28: The United Kingdom announces its intention to seek a U.N. Security Council
resolution approving the use of force against Syria,

~Aug. 28: NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rassmussen issues a statement saying
that evidence points to the Syrian government being responsible for the use of chemical
weapons, saying that the action is “unacceptable and cannot go unanswered.”















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America will support reasonable actions to help prevent the return of Chemical Weapons.



Box is right, there are many from the boomer generation, both the neocon statist right and liberal statist left that like a "reasonable" amount of state sponsored killing, whatever the reason.  As long as there is a pile of dead people, they feel they did at least something.  Even if it was just as immoral and as much of an atrocity as the atrocity they were claiming to stop.  


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America will support reasonable actions to help prevent the return of Chemical Weapons.

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Box is right, there are many from the boomer generation, both the neocon statist right and liberal statist left that like a "reasonable" amount of state sponsored killing, whatever the reason.  As long as there is a pile of dead people, they feel they did at least something.  Even if it was just as immoral and as much of an atrocity as the atrocity they were claiming to stop.  


Do you see a pattern here?  Every morning Cicero wakes up, reads new posts, then distorts the post
with yet another STRAWMAN.

Was my post about a reasonable amount of state sponsored killing.
NO
It was about action taken to limit the use of chemical weapons.  
Should I answer Cicero's silly post with a STRAWMAN of my own?

"Cicero supports the use of Chemical Weapons and hopes that Chemical Weapons catch on as the
new tool of choice in the middle east!"


There.  Now we've both misstated each others position.  We've each spent some time and effort
composing and posting a useless argument.  
Why bother???


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A new NBC News poll finds 50% believe the United States should not intervene in the wake of
suspected chemical weapons attacks
by Syrian President Bashar Assad.
But the public is more supportive of military action when it's limited to launching cruise missiles
from U.S. naval ships -50% favor that kind of intervention, while 44% oppose it.


It seems that America wants the US to use 'stand off' weapons in this operation, but not
any invasion or ground troops inside Syria.


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Aiding the rebels is aiding Al Qaeda.  No matter how this turns out
any situation that supports Al Qaeda is against US interests.

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No sh*t





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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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