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The numbers change little in this 2013 study.

MORE GUNS, MORE DEATH!


http://www.livescience.com/39813-gun-ownership-increases-firearms-deaths.html


Soooo... are you going to turn yours in then? Let's face it, the "assault" rifles contribute a minuscule amount to the TOTAL number of US gun deaths...the other guns  must be eliminated, right?


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Soooo... are you going to turn yours in then? Let's face it, the "assault" rifles contribute a minuscule amount to the TOTAL number of US gun deaths...the other guns  must be eliminated, right?


Assault weapon is common denominator in mass shootings

An AR-15 was used to kill nine people at Umpqua Community College in Oregon in October.

It was also the weapon used in the murders of 12 people at a Colorado movie theater in 2012.

And an AR-15 was used in the 2012 murders of 20 first graders and six adults in Newtown, Connecticut.

The murder weapons used in the San Bernardino shooting were versions an AR-15.

And now the murders in Orlando were the result of a very efficient killing machine...
the civilian version of an assault weapon.  

It may be MINUSCULE TO YOU Tbird, but I doubt those murdered would consider it a
minor factor in their death.  


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Samantha Bee on the Orlando Shootings



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Assault weapon is common denominator in mass shootings

An AR-15 was used to kill nine people at Umpqua Community College in Oregon in October.

It was also the weapon used in the murders of 12 people at a Colorado movie theater in 2012.

And an AR-15 was used in the 2012 murders of 20 first graders and six adults in Newtown, Connecticut.

The murder weapons used in the San Bernardino shooting were versions an AR-15.

And now the murders in Orlando were the result of a very efficient killing machine...
the civilian version of an assault weapon.  

It may be MINUSCULE TO YOU Tbird, but I doubt those murdered would consider it a
minor factor in their death.  

Supposedly, NY has the nations toughest guns laws, BUT, I saw a local gun dealer show how he can could modify an AR-15, and make it perfectly legal to sell... it will stay just as powerful, and just as deadly....that's how clueless the pols that passed this law really are..
however...
Do you want to REALLY make a dent in gun violence or don't you?
If you do, you HAVE to go after handguns...no IFS, ANDS or BUTS....

Sure, if you only go after AR-15's and other semi-automatic rifles, you MAY reduce the chances of the high profile, highly covered events like Newtown and Orlando, but again, not affect the actual number of TOTAL deaths and injuries very much...what are YOU going to say to the other 97% of murder victims families, where their loved one was NOT killed with an "ASSAULT" weapon, but another type of gun???

Sounds to me you are just as much a hypocrite on gun control as you are on Climate change... as long as it doesn't affect your fun, ban it, if it does, screw the additional deaths it may cause....
So.... I ask AGAIN... Are YOU ready to turn YOUR guns in?


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So.... I ask AGAIN... Are YOU ready to turn YOUR guns in?


I don't own an assault rifle and find no need for anyone to own one...
As for pistols and rifles... I have always supported the 2nd amendment...
and I support good gun laws.  
What NY has is a weak pathetic SAFE ACT law.
I would support a universal federal pistol law similar to the present NY law.


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I don't own an assault rifle and find no need for anyone to own one...
As for pistols and rifles... I have always supported the 2nd amendment...
and I support good gun laws.  
What NY has is a weak pathetic SAFE ACT law.
I would support a universal federal pistol law similar to the present NY law.


So, you are fine with the 97% of killings and injuries that will continue to happen if "assault" weapons were banned and the 4 million presently in the US vanished tomorrow...??
It's amazing to me that people that supposedly want to reduce gun violence go after the low hanging fruit which are assault weapons, but ignore the drip, drip, drip, which is the REAL problem...maybe they avoid it because it would force them to confront social, economic, and racial issues they would much rather ignore.


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So, you are fine with the 97% of killings and injuries that will continue to happen if "assault" weapons were banned
and the 4 million presently in the US vanished tomorrow...??

Yes TBird... AS YOU PUT IT...  I would have to be "FINE if 97% of killings and injuries continue"
LMAO... it's like a discussion with a 'not to bright' 3rd grader!  

OK Tbird... If you could eliminate 3% of auto collision deaths, that would save around 1000 American
lives a year... would you do it?


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In case you may be keeping score...
There Have Been 196 Shootings In The U.S. Since The Massacre In Orlando


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Yes TBird... AS YOU PUT IT...  I would have to be "FINE if 97% of killings and injuries continue"
LMAO... it's like a discussion with a 'not to bright' 3rd grader!  

OK Tbird... If you could eliminate 3% of auto collision deaths, that would save around 1000 American
lives a year... would you do it?


No, you just hate it when I call you on your hypocrisy... You say we should stop gun violence, but yet, you are not for what is necessary to do it because it would affect YOU!... You, like many others, just want to operate on the periphery, so you can stop seeing the TV coverage of mass killing events, and then you can continue to use your guns without guilt because you won't see the drip, drip. drip of daily killings on the evening news or cnn

As far as auto deaths, how about eliminating 28% (over 9,000) of them, where speeding is the main factor?
Put a GPS chip in all new cars and limit the top speed of the vehicle to 10% above the posted speed limit.
Within 8 years, you would cover 70% of the cars on the road and pro-rated save 6,500 lives PER YEAR
Compare that to a total assault weapons ban, and then somehow we magically get the 4 million weapons that already are circulated off the streets, we save a grand total of about 800 lives annually... if we are really concerned with saving lives, what should we go after first?

Also, contrary to what the media and anti-gun folks try to get you to believe, gun violence has actually gone DOWN and they trend continues..even with all of those evil assault weapons out there:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fac.....5-10-13_gunviolence/


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Yes TBird... AS YOU PUT IT...  I would have to be "FINE if 97% of killings and injuries continue"
LMAO... it's like a discussion with a 'not to bright' 3rd grader!  

OK Tbird... If you could eliminate 3% of auto collision deaths, that would save around 1000 American
lives a year... would you do it?


Based on the statistics, the guns you own make you much more likely to kill with them.


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John Howard (former Australian PM) wrote an article in the New York Times on Australia Gun Ban.

"In the end, we won the battle to change gun laws because there was  majority support across Australia for banning certain
weapons. And  today, there is a wide consensus that our 1996 reforms not only reduced  the gun-related homicide rate, but
also the suicide rate. The Australian  Institute of Criminology found that gun-related murders and suicides  fell sharply after
1996. The American Law and Economics Review found  that our gun buyback scheme cut firearm suicides by 74 percent.
In the  18 years before the 1996 reforms, Australia suffered 13 gun massacres —  each with more than four victims — causing
a total of 102 deaths. There  has not been a single massacre in that category since 1996.        
Few Australians would deny that their country is safer today as a consequence of gun control."


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John Howard (former Australian PM) wrote an article in the New York Times on Australia Gun Ban.

"In the end, we won the battle to change gun laws because there was  majority support across Australia for banning certain
weapons. And  today, there is a wide consensus that our 1996 reforms not only reduced  the gun-related homicide rate, but
also the suicide rate. The Australian  Institute of Criminology found that gun-related murders and suicides  fell sharply after
1996. The American Law and Economics Review found  that our gun buyback scheme cut firearm suicides by 74 percent.
In the  18 years before the 1996 reforms, Australia suffered 13 gun massacres —  each with more than four victims — causing
a total of 102 deaths. There  has not been a single massacre in that category since 1996.        
Few Australians would deny that their country is safer today as a consequence of gun control."


Hey...Sign up for asylum in Austrailia!


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If you believe that, when are you going to turn in your guns?


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If you believe that, when are you going to turn in your guns?


Turn in???
Other countries, Australia for example have used a 'gun buy back' program to successfully rid their country
of assault rifles.
I'm glad and eager to "turn in" any weapon that I own which is illegal.

How about you?
Will you "turn in" your illegal weapons, or will you just consider yourself a criminal?
Lots of criminals  disobey laws, you know... like pedophiles or heroin dealers, or old lady rapists.  


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