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Henry
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Not that I agree with it but what is the worst thing that can come with the NRA knowing, probably 1 piece of junk mail every 2 months. Now what could the government do with that same info, sadly history has shown what could happen.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Quoted from Henry
Not that I agree with it but what is the worst thing that can come with the NRA knowing, probably 1 piece of junk mail every 2 months. Now what could the government do with that same info, sadly history has shown what could happen.


REALLY HENRY?  
I trust the GOVT to do the right thing (even though they often don't) much more than I trust
a lobby group for arms manufacturers and chemical companies.

At least the Govt 'pretends' to be working on our behalf... the NRA works for US Big Business,
not us.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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REALLY HENRY?  
I trust the GOVT to do the right thing (even though they often don't) much more than I trust
a lobby group for arms manufacturers and chemical companies.

At least the Govt 'pretends' to be working on our behalf... the NRA works for US Big Business,
not us.


Depends on how you take the issue of gun control, that is where my trust of the government ends. As far as the NRA I stopped supporting them years ago like you, the only thing I got from them was a free range bag and a subscription to a crappy gun magazine....well I did get a discount at gun shows so that was a plus. Till this day I still get junk mail from them constantly but I really wasn't impressed with how they handled some cases, many court cases I wish they supported which they didn't.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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"I trust the GOVT to do the right thing (even though they often don't)" You answered the problem with trusting government pretty well Box.
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Quoted from Shadow
"I trust the GOVT to do the right thing (even though they often don't)" You answered the problem with trusting government pretty well Box.


I trust the GOVT to do the right thing (even though they often don't)
much more than I trusta lobby group for arms manufacturers and chemical companies.

Yes and the rest of my post answers how little I trust US Business.


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After being lied to by your idols in the government I don't understand how you can trust a word that they say.
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After being lied to by your idols in the government I don't understand how you can trust a word that they say.


My Idols???
What would give you that strange idea???



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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THE NRA is a stateist stooge.....

I don't need the NRA to tell me what is right either.....

the NRA is equitable to your car insurance company, they exist for the same reason and it's NOT for your safety.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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NRA LOGIC



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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people who go through stop signs are criminals?????

people who use guns to threaten/kill other humans are criminals? unless of course it's a sanctioned act approved by the 'experts'...

gun registries are a waste of $$ and time...as is drug testing....pre-crime is STUPID


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09.....tml?hp&_r=1&

looks like NRA members support gun control in Co.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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More Guns, More Homicides

Researchers in the United States claim to have established a convincing statistical link between gun
ownership and homicide, according to a new study.

The study, which appears in the American Journal of Public Health, challenges the National Rifle
Association’s claim that increased gun ownership does not lead to higher levels of gun violence.

Covering 30 years from 1981 and all 50 US states, it determined that for every one percentage point
in the prevalence of gun ownership in a given state, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9 percent.

“This research is the strongest to date to document that states with higher levels of gun ownership
have disproportionately large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides,” he said.

“It suggests that measures which succeed in decreasing the overall prevalence of guns will lower
firearm homicide rates.”

The study found that, over three decades, the mean estimated percentage of gun ownership ranged
from a low of 25.8 percent in Hawaii to a high of 76.8 percent in Mississippi, with a national average
of 57.7 percent.

The mean age-adjusted firearm homicide rate stretched from 0.9 percent per 100,000 in New Hampshire
to 1.8 percent in Louisiana, with an average for all states of 4 per 100,000.
The Hartford Courant
http://articles.courant.com/20.....wnership-rates-study


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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just reported....and besides

take the man off the land and eating out of the government store house and he/she has free time to invent ways to kill someone
either by mistake or with purposeful choice.....

remove the man from the land, send into the commune, indoctrinate, then strip him of himself,,,,for the good of the masses of course

you know what else is an oxymoron....

'all we have to fear is fear itself'......really? then WTF are we doing allowing the NSA and homeland security and patriot act......

all we have to fear is fear itself....WOW!!! we have taught our enemies well and have turned them into true patriots....

same thing with 'ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country'....that's fu(king priceless....

let me see....today I will be a patriot and turn somebody in for something I think might be suspicious...if I see something I should
say something because all I have to fear is fear itself and I am doing it for my country.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Antibiotics in farm animal food kills more people than guns, but we don't ban them.

Report links antibiotics at farms to human deaths
Carolyn Lochhead
Updated 10:58 pm, Monday, September 16, 2013



Washington -- The Centers for Disease Control on Monday confirmed a link between routine use of antibiotics in livestock and growing bacterial resistance that is killing at least 23,000 people a year.

The report is the first by the government to estimate how many people die annually of infections that no longer respond to antibiotics because of overuse in people and animals.

CDC Director Thomas Frieden called for urgent steps to scale back and monitor use, or risk reverting to an era when common bacterial infections of the urinary tract, bloodstream, respiratory system and skin routinely killed and maimed.

"We will soon be in a post-antibiotic era if we're not careful," Frieden said. "For some patients and some microbes, we are already there."

The discovery of penicillin in 1928 transformed medicine. But because bacteria rapidly evolve to resist the drugs, and resistance is encouraged with each use, antibiotics are a limited resource.
2 million infections

Along with the annual fatalities, the report estimated at least 2 million antibiotic-resistant infections occur each year. Frieden said these are "minimal estimates" because they count only microbes that are resistant to multiple antibiotics and include only hospital infections, omitting cases from dialysis centers, nursing homes and other medical settings.

At least 70 percent of all antibiotics in the United States are used to speed growth of farm animals or to prevent diseases among animals raised in feedlots. Routine low doses administered to large numbers of animals provide ideal conditions for microbes to develop resistance.

"Widespread use of antibiotics in agriculture has resulted in increased resistance in infections in humans," Frieden said.

The pharmaceutical and livestock industries have long disputed any such linkage. But the report called for phasing out such uses.

"Of the 18 specific antibiotic-resistant threats discussed in the report, only two have possible connections to antibiotic use in food animals," said the Animal Health Institute, a lobbying group that represents pharmaceutical companies.

Steve Heilig, public health director for the San Francisco Medical Society, said the report "clearly implicates agriculture's contribution to the problem." The big question, he said, is whether leaders in agriculture and government "will finally listen to their own expert agency on this."

Patients who insist on antibiotic treatments are another big problem - the report said half of antibiotic use in humans is unnecessary.

"Patients demand antibiotics and feel their doctor has not done an adequate job if they don't get a prescription," Frieden said.
Wide implications

Beyond turning common infections deadly, the rise of antibiotic resistance would undermine much of modern medicine. Organ transplants, joint replacements, cancer therapies and the use of catheters, respirators and other invasive procedures and devices would be impossible because of the risk of infection.

The link between overuse of antibiotics in livestock and microbial resistance has been suspected since the 1960s, but Congress, at the behest of the pharmaceutical and livestock industries, has blocked efforts by the Food and Drug Administration to scale back their use.

The agency in April 2012 asked drugmakers to voluntarily stop using antibiotics to promote growth in animals but has not issued final regulations. The agency does not plan any restrictions on routine low doses to prevent infections in animals.

Francis Scarpulla, owner of Lost Coast Farms, a small organic sheep and beef ranch in Humboldt County that does not use antibiotics, said commercial livestock have to be fed the drugs because of the crowded conditions in which they are raised.

"If you have a healthy cow foraged on grass, and if they are in a clean field environment, your cows are not going to get sick," he said. "When you cram them into huge feedlots, they start getting sick because there are too many of them in too small a space."
Legislation goes nowhere

Organic certification prohibits antibiotic use, but raising such animals is costly, he said.

Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, first introduced legislation in 1980 to restrict antibiotic use in livestock. For the past decade, Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y., has introduced similar bills, joined in recent years by Sens. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., but the measures have gone nowhere.

"We constantly hear from the pharmaceutical and livestock industry that antibiotic use in livestock is not a problem and we should focus on human use," said Avinash Kar, a staff attorney at the San Francisco office of the Natural Resources Defense Council, an environmental group that has sued the FDA to force it to ban using antibiotics to promote growth in livestock. The case is now pending before the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

Carolyn Lochhead is the San Francisco Chronicle's Washington correspondent.
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Dumb @ss kills more people than guns... but we don't ban dumb @ss either.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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