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BIGK75
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This is called Communism, also wealth redistribution.  Where do you think the government would get the money to do this??
I guess this is for the ones that missed out on the baby bonuses.


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Clinton proposes 401(k)s, matching funds


By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 29 minutes ago

WEBSTER CITY, Iowa - Every citizen could get a 401(k) retirement account and up to $1,000 in annual matching funds from the government under a plan offered Tuesday by Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton.

At a cost of $20 billion-$25 billion a year, the plan is Clinton's largest domestic proposal other than her plan for universal health insurance. The New York senator said it would be paid for by taxing estates worth more than $7 million per couple and would help narrow the gap between the rich and those who don't have enough savings for retirement.

At the same time, Clinton said she has given up another idea for a savings incentive — giving every baby born in the United States a $5,000 account to one day pay for college or a first home.

She made that suggestion last month before the Congressional Black Caucus, saying it was just an idea and not a policy proposal. The idea was criticized by Republicans, and she told The Wall Street Journal in an interview published Tuesday that it's off the table.

The campaign of her Democratic rival John Edwards suggested it was an example of Clinton setting her positions by polls. "Apparently, new polling data seems to have pressured the Clinton campaign to throw out the baby bond with the bathwater," said Edwards spokesman Chris Kofinis.

As for the retirement accounts, Clinton said during a campaign stop in small-town central Iowa, "They will begin to bring down this inequality that is eating away at our social contract." She said, "This is a major commitment to how I believe we can begin to right the balance again."

She said that for every $7 million estate that gets taxed, at least 5,000 families would receive the matching funds.

Clinton said she wants to create "American Retirement Accounts" in which everyone could put up to $5,000 annually in a 401(k) plan. The federal government would provide a tax cut to match 100 percent of the first $1,000 for anyone who makes less than $60,000 a year and 50 percent of the first $1,000 for those who make $60,000-$100,000.

She said she would encourage employers to have direct deposit from paychecks into the accounts.

Clinton said less than half the families in the United States have retirement savings accounts and those who have them aren't saving enough. She said she often meets people working even into their early 80s because they don't have enough savings.

"We don't have much of a nest egg to fall back on," she said.

Although the money would be intended mainly for retirement, she said people should also be able to use the savings to buy a house or pay for college and the government should consider letting workers use a portion for hard times like an illness or accident.

Clinton said the accounts should not be used to replace any part of Social Security and that she is committed to addressing the long-term challenges of that program.

"We have to fight and finally bury the idea of privatizing Social Security," she said.
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Every citizen could get a 401(k) retirement account and up to $1,000 in annual matching funds from the government under a plan offered Tuesday by Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton.



What the @#$%#$#$$%%^$#%.........That is something I dont want from the government.....who ever said retirement was a rite......Moses didn't retire.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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[/quote]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/us/politics/30thompson.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=politics&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1192213098-6HAiMRpiZ/5XrHunRqLnhw

[quote]The Long Run
G.O.P. Hopeful Took Own Path in the Senate

THE DOWN-HOME CANDIDATE Mr. Thompson, running for Senate in Tennessee in 1994, almost quit the race before renting a truck to campaign around the state.

By JO BECKER
Published: September 30, 2007

From a political standpoint, it should have been an easy decision. The calls flooding Fred D. Thompson’s Senate office in the winter of 1999 showed that his Tennessee constituents overwhelmingly favored removing President Bill Clinton from office. But as the historic impeachment trial neared, records show, Mr. Thompson agonized over what he saw as two “bad choices.”

Years before, as Republican counsel to the Senate Watergate committee, Mr. Thompson had witnessed the proceedings that led to President Richard M. Nixon’s resignation. Now, he pored over legal tomes on precedent. He ordered up lengthy staff memorandums on what the founding fathers intended when they said a president could be removed for “high crimes and misdemeanors,” scribbling his thoughts on a yellow legal pad.

Did the president’s cover-up of an affair with a White House intern justify deposing him “against the will of the people,” Mr. Thompson wondered, or should Mr. Clinton be protected by the very “baseness of his actions?” “His office is too high + the crimes too low,” he mused.

Yet would an acquittal not “haunt us in the future,” setting the bar so high that even a “serial perjurer” could not be removed from office so long as his conduct was “to cover up personal wrongdoing?”

“Worse of both worlds,” he scrawled on a scrap of paper. “Will be easier if you vote guilty.”

Today Mr. Thompson is campaigning for president, selling himself as the most devoted conservative in the Republican field, a leader whose vision was shaped by the Republican revolution of 1994.


But his approach to the impeachment case — and his ultimate decision to part with the Republican majority by voting to acquit Mr. Clinton on one of two impeachment counts — underscores the concerns now being raised by many conservative leaders.

Less than a month into Mr. Thompson’s official campaign, they are asking how truly committed he is to their cause and, given his late-starting and somewhat languid campaign, how much he really covets the prize. James C. Dobson, the influential Christian conservative leader, recently offered this verdict in an e-mail message to supporters: “He has no passion, no zeal and no apparent ‘want to.’”

In his eight years in the Senate, Mr. Thompson compiled a solidly conservative voting record. But a review of thousands of pages of his papers archived at the University of Tennessee and interviews with his former aides show that he displayed little enthusiasm for divisive battles over abortion and other issues that motivate religious Republican primary voters. And when his convictions and his party’s interests diverged, Mr. Thompson brought a lawyer’s sensibility to his deliberations, rather than that of a rote partisan plotting a path to Pennsylvania Avenue. He veered from party orthodoxy often enough that his staff once proudly compiled a long list of votes titled “Breaking With the Republican Pack.”

Those records and interviews also offer a portrait of an often ambivalent politician. From his election in 1994 to his decision in 2002 not to seek re-election to a seat considered so safe that Democrats had all but written it off, Mr. Thompson did not really take to the rhythms of the Senate, much less amass a lengthy list of legislative achievements. Asked this month to name his top accomplishments, he said to National Review, “You mean, besides leaving the Senate?”

Though Mr. Thompson is now refining some of his earlier positions in a way that better reflects his party’s base, he said in an interview that he had conducted himself in the Senate with the freedom of knowing that “this was never meant to be the place where I would stay for my entire career.”

“You are either going to do the right thing, or you’re not,” he said. “If you are politically tacking all the time, it makes life too long and too complicated.”

‘Bored’ by the Senate

As Mr. Thompson made a recent campaign swing through New Hampshire, a man in a bar thrust a copy of Newsweek into his hand and asked for an autograph. The magazine’s cover featured a photograph of Mr. Thompson with the headline “Lazy Like a Fox.” The candidate, grinning broadly, signed with a flourish.

Even before Mr. Thompson officially jumped into the race, detractors charged that he was, as the conservative commentator George F. Will put it, “less than a martyr to the work ethic” in the Senate.

Mr. Thompson seems unfazed by the criticism, eager, in fact, to portray himself as an accidental politician untainted by the striving culture of Washington. As he recently told an Indianapolis television news interviewer, “I haven’t been deciding that I wanted to run for president since I was high school prom king — and I never was, incidentally.”

From the beginning, Mr. Thompson’s career has taken a remarkably passive and serendipitous course.

His first big break came as a 30-year-old small-town lawyer, when his mentor, former Senator Howard H. Baker Jr., chose him over far more accomplished candidates as the Senate Watergate committee’s Republican counsel.

Mr. Thompson parlayed the resulting attention and connections into a lucrative legal and lobbying career. Colleagues say he was skillful, if not always driven. At the Washington firm Arent Fox, where Mr. Thompson was registered as a lobbyist from 1991 to 1994, he was well liked but brought in few clients and billed only about 500 total hours.

Mr. Thompson fell into his acting career after he was tapped to play himself in a movie about a lawsuit involving a clemency-selling scandal that brought down the Tennessee governor. By the time Mr. Baker talked him into running in a special election for Vice President Al Gore’s Senate seat, Mr. Thompson had 18 movie credits to his name.

The campaign initially faltered, with Mr. Thompson trailing badly in the polls. Fed up with fund-raising and the chicken-dinner circuit, he almost quit before deciding to switch gears and drive the state in a rented red pickup truck. He won by more than 20 percentage points as the Republicans seized control of Congress.

(Mr. Thompson is similarly disposed in his presidential bid. Though polls show him emerging as a leading contender in an unsettled field, one recently departed campaign official said: “You’d give him fund-raising call sheets and they’d go into a watery grave in his in box. I’m not sure if he has a full appreciation of what it takes to get there.”)

Less than a week after he was sworn in, Mr. Thompson delivered the Republican response to a prime-time speech by President Clinton. Winning rave reviews for his down-home style, he was instantly labeled a rising star.

Success in the Senate, however, requires more than oratory skill.

Records show that Mr. Thompson delved into the areas that mattered most to him, regularly writing his own speeches and demanding detailed memorandums that often ran well past the one-page limit favored by some senators. He focused on green-eyeshade issues like budget and regulatory reform that, while not exactly the stuff of headlines, have far-reaching impact. Believing that many matters are best left to the states, he voted against popular measures to create federal crimes. Former aides say he could be a stickler for preparation and would often be found in the reading room off his office, prepping for votes and hearings over a cigar.

“On the lazy charge, I have to chuckle because I was there sometimes until 1 in the morning working with the man,” said Paul Noe, a Thompson aide when the senator led the Governmental Affairs Committee.

But few of his legislative initiatives became law, and even admirers acknowledge that he had little patience for the endless debates over minutiae that consume much of the Senate’s time. Nor, say aides, did he relish the schmoozing and deal making necessary to become a heavy-hitter on Capitol Hill.

One former aide, Kelvin Moxley, said Mr. Thompson had not come to Washington with the purpose of injecting himself “into every aspect of human life.” Still, in the clubby atmosphere of the Senate, a place of schmoozing and deal-making where accomplishment is measured in terms of bills passed and power amassed, Mr. Thompson’s seeming indifference set him apart.

“You know who my three best friends in the Senate are?” Mr. Thompson once asked his chief of staff, Tom Daffron. “Bill Cohen, Alan Simpson and Hank Brown. And you know what they all have in common? They’re all quitting.”

Constituent service is the scut work of any legislator, and Mr. Thompson did his fair share. He brought home federal dollars and took the lead in creating a program to compensate cold war-era workers made ill from radiation at nuclear weapons plants in Tennessee and elsewhere. But several recording industry lobbyists said they had difficulty capturing his attention on their issues, even though Nashville is the country music capital of the world.

As a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Mr. Thompson was outspoken on the topic of unconventional weapons. He held up a China trade bill overwhelmingly favored by the business community in an unsuccessful effort to require sanctions if China violated nuclear proliferation agreements. That, said a former aide, Hanna Sistare, took “some guts and determination.”

But when Mr. Thompson left the Senate and was appointed to a bipartisan commission that advises Congress on Chinese threats to national security, his concern did not translate into regular attendance. Although Mr. Thompson nods to his membership in a campaign video, the panel’s minutes show that of the 19 hearings during his 2005-6 tenure, he attended only 6.

“When he was there, his contributions were thoughtful and constructive,” said a Democratic member, William A. Reinsch. “But he wasn’t there enough to really leave an imprint.”

Norman J. Ornstein, a Congressional scholar at the American Enterprise Institute who worked closely with Mr. Thompson on several government reform measures, said that while Mr. Thompson took his job seriously, “the Senate as a whole bored him.”

“He was perfectly happy to go to hearings and vote and all of that,” Mr. Ornstein added, “but if 6 or 7 rolled around and you were going to have a session where there wasn’t a lot that was going to get done, he was happy to get out of there.”

An Independent Streak

Days into Mr. Thompson’s first Senate term, two Republican colleagues made what seemed a simple request: Would Mr. Thompson co-sponsor legislation to amend the Constitution to prohibit flag burning? He was a logical choice, having used the issue to great effect during his campaign. But records show that Mr. Thompson initially declined the invitation to champion the cause. He would vote for the measure, but would not sponsor it.

An aide, Mary Ann Carter, wrote him a memorandum urging him “to rethink our decision not to be a co-sponsor.” He changed his mind, but only after she reminded him that he had blasted his Democratic opponent for opposing a flag burning amendment and promised the Citizens Flag Alliance to support one if elected.

To judge from the ratings of interest groups, Mr. Thompson was a loyal Republican. He received a 100 percent score from anti-abortion groups, ardently championed the causes of the National Rifle Association, sided with the American Conservative Union 86 percent of the time and backed President Bush on the war with Iraq, tax cuts and most everything else. But such numbers do not necessarily measure a politician’s priorities.

In confidential surveys sent out by the Senate Republican leadership, Mr. Thompson recommended giving priority to issues like Congressional term limits and overhauling welfare, entitlement programs and the tax code. But he passed over divisive social issues like late-term abortion, cloning, physician-assisted suicide and affirmative action.

In an interview, Mr. Thompson said his priorities had not changed. The government’s primary responsibility is to address such problems as “a growing bureaucracy becoming more and more incompetent,” he said, adding that keeping the focus on such issues is “a politically good thing, too.”

“Republicans used to always win, any survey that you took, any poll that you took, on the reform agenda,” he said. “When we moved away from that, we got beat.”

Though Mr. Thompson mostly toed the party line when it came time to vote, he occasionally exhibited an independent streak.

There are the well-known breaks with his party’s leadership. Although he barely mentions it now, arguably his most significant Senate achievement involved the passage of campaign finance overhaul. He helped lay the groundwork as chairman of an inquiry into fund-raising abuses surrounding the 1996 election by investigating Republicans as well as Democrats, then championed legislation widely opposed by conservatives.

More quietly, he took a stand that placed him in the middle of the Bush administration’s battle with Congress over executive privilege. His private papers show that he met with Vice President Dick Cheney in 2001 and unsuccessfully urged him to reach an accommodation with Congress’s investigative arm, the Government Accountability Office, as it sought documents relating to Mr. Cheney’s secretive energy task force.

“See how well that worked out,” Mr. Thompson joked in an interview, before explaining that he was concerned that if the G.A.O. lost the legal fight with the vice president, as it eventually did, Congress’s oversight role would be diminished. Mr. Thompson also showed concern over some of the Bush administration’s antiterrorism policies.

Several former aides say he was troubled by the administration’s decision to hold terrorism suspects indefinitely without normal due-process rights, and records show that he once asked for a memorandum on what recourse would be available to a hypothetical foreign Vanderbilt University student implicated in a terror plot and secretly “tried at the direction of the president.”

A month after the Sept. 11 attacks, he supported an unsuccessful effort to amend the USA Patriot Act to place limits on “roving wiretaps.” Though he voted for the legislation, his trepidation echoed his stance against a Clinton administration effort to expand the F.B.I.’s wiretapping authority, when he warned of “the price we may pay in the infringement on our personal freedoms.”

Weighing the President’s Fate

Mr. Thompson says he does not “recall any real tough votes.” But by his own account, one of the most momentous was the Clinton impeachment.

Early on, Mr. Thompson met with one of the House’s Republican impeachment managers, Representative James E. Rogan. Mr. Thompson’s advice ranged from the partisan (“the most important task is to unite all Republicans”) to the practical (Don’t waste your time with print reporters, “most of whom can’t investigate, and few of them who will.” Television has more “impact on the populace.”)

But as the debate intensified, Mr. Thompson’s Tennessee field office reported that it “was getting a lot of people asking why Senator Thompson is not out front publicly supporting impeachment.”

“Politically it was a no-brainer — you know, guilty all the way,” Mr. Thompson recalled. But when he studied “what our founders meant,” he said, he was “surprised that some things that are clearly wrong and even violations of the law were not impeachable offenses.”

On Feb. 12, 1999, Mr. Thompson voted to find Mr. Clinton guilty of obstructing justice. But he joined just 10 other Republicans, many of them moderates from more liberal states, in voting to acquit on the perjury charge, reasoning that while the president’s conduct on that front was “sordid,” it did not justify removing him from office.

His Senate office phone lines immediately lit up with angry calls from Republican constituents. But Fred Ansell, one of his former senior aides, said Mr. Thompson shrugged off the potential political fallout by quoting the 18th century Irish political philosopher Edmund Burke: “Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion.”

Susan Saulny contributed reporting.



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Brownback to drop White House bid

Republican Sam Brownback will drop out of the 2008 presidential campaign on Friday, people close to the Kansas senator said Thursday.

Brownback, a longshot conservative contender, had trouble raising money to compete in the race. He is expected announce his withdrawal in Topeka, Kan.

He raised a little more than $800,000 in the third quarter of this year, his lowest quarterly amount since entering race. He has brought in more than $4 million overall and is eligible for $2 million in federal matching funds.


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I support Duncan Hunter for president.  Here's some recent info on things going on.

Brownback's out.


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Senator Brownback was strong on the Right to Life/pro-life issue. Many of his supporters are pro-life advocates. I've always thought that if Brownback were not in the race, the Right to Life advocates would be Hunter supporters.

A google search reveals that there are quite a few pro-life organizations and forums/groups online. I've attached a brief article titled, "Duncan Hunter and the Right to Life Act".

Does someone have time to do an online search and locate these organizations and groups and email them the attachment?

You've got my permission to email this to any pro-life groups or individual you can find.


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Duncan Hunter and the Right to Life Act
The National Right to Life Committee indicates that more than 48 million abortions have been performed in the US since 1973. This is the consequence of Roe v Wade. Abortion is a major issue for me. I would like to share Duncan Hunter’s position on this issue.

Duncan Hunter introduced the Right to Life Act ( H.R. 618 ) to protect the unborn:

On January 22, 2007, Congressman Hunter introduced the "Right to Life Act" ( H.R. 618 ) which, he states, will "legally define 'personhood' as the moment of conception and, therefore, guarantee all constitutional
rights and protections, including life, to the unborn without utilizing a constitutional amendment." Mr. Hunter has also co-sponsored legislation which would bar someone from transporting a minor across
state lines to obtain an abortion, prohibit reproductive cloning, and require abortionists to let pregnant women know that children aborted 20 weeks after conception can feel pain. The text of the legislation reads:

"To implement equal protection under the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution for the right to life of each born and preborn human person".

See Right to Life Act here: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR00618:@@L&summ2=m

Duncan Hunter has a consistent pro-life voting record that spans 26 years (1981 to 2007):

The National Right to Life Committee (NRLC), a pro-life organization, has granted Duncan Hunter a 100% rating while the National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws (NARAL), a pro-choice organization that advocates abortion, has granted Mr. Hunter a 0% score on legislation related to life issues. These ratings indicate that Mr. Hunter has a strong and consistent pro-life voting record
See Duncan Hunter's National Right to Life Committee 100% rating here:
http://www.capwiz.com/nrlc/scorecard/?chamber=H&session=110&x=12&y=12

See Duncan Hunter's NARAL rating of 0% here: http://www.naral.org/elections/statements/hunter.html

Duncan Hunter's philosophy on judicial appointment of pro-life judges:

"I support people with good judgment, proven values, a belief in God, and a heart for the least of us, including the unborn. I believe it is important that those sitting on the bench understand that they have a responsibility to strictly interpret our nation's laws and not legislate from the bench with their own political or social agenda".

See Duncan Hunter's Core Principles here: http://www.gohunter08.com/inner.asp?z=4

Please  join us in supporting Duncan Hunter for President and join our group here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DuncanHunterforPresident08/

Thank you,

Gary C. Huggins
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I know this is a little big, but I thought that everybody should take some time and look at it.  (See below, also.)


Also, don't forget to join the Meetup.com groups to support Duncan Hunter,
Join the National group first.
http://duncanhunter.meetup.com/1/

Then, join me as at this point, I'm the only one that has stepped up as leader of the New York State group.
http://duncanhunter.meetup.com/14/
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http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12205

I first questioned this story...then got the links provided at the bottom that I haven't yet looked at, decide for yourself.


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A Tale of Two Candidates
By Quin Hillyer
Published 10/24/2007 12:08:28 AM


With Sen. Sam Brownback now out of the presidential race, only two candidates in the Republican presidential field -- California's
longtime U.S. Rep. Duncan Hunter and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee -- can lay claim both to a high degree of purity on
the hot-button issues for social conservatives and to a personal life that seems in keeping with those traditional values.

But only one, Huckabee, seems to be gaining major traction... even though the record in Arkansas suggests that he might be
the wrong one to rally around.

Ask lots of folks in Arkansas, including Republicans, and a fair number will probably tell you that Huck is for Huck is for Huck. National
media folks like David Brooks, dealing in surface appearances only, rave about what a nice guy Huckabee is, and a moral exemplar
to boot. If they only did a little homework, they would discover a guy with a thin skin, a nasty vindictive streak, and a long history of
imbroglios about questionable ethics.

Once, Gov. Huckabee even had the gall to file suit against the state ethics commission. He lost.

Fourteen times, the ethics commission -- a respected body, not a partisan witch-hunt group -- investigated claims against Huckabee. Five
of those times, it officially reprimanded him. And, as only MSNBC among the big national media has reported at any real length, there
were lots of other mini-scandals and embarrassments along the way.

He used public money for family restaurant meals, boat expenses, and other personal uses. He tried to claim as his own some $70,000
of furniture donated to the governor's mansion. He repeatedly, and obstinately, against the pleadings even from conservative columnists
and editorials, refused to divulge the names of donors to a "charitable" organization he set up while lieutenant governor -- an outfit whose
main charitable purpose seemed to be to pay Huckabee to make speeches. Then, as a kicker, he misreported the income itself from the
suspicious "charity."

Huckabee has been criticized, reasonably so, for misusing the state airplane for personal reasons. And he and his wife, Janet, actually set
up a "wedding gift registry" (they had already been married for years) to which people could donate as the Huckabees left the governorship,
in order to furnish their new $525,000 home.

According to the Arkansas News Bureau (Feb. 1, 2003), "Huckabee's personal lawyer, Kevin Crass of Little Rock, has said Huckabee believes
there should be no limit on gifts short of a bribe." After all, said Janet Huckabee, public officials like her husband should be automatically
trusted: "Until you absolutely positively know that the man has outright lied to you, it should be enough that the man's word is that everything
was done appropriately, legally, to the best of his knowledge to the letter of the law."

Of course, her reasoning refutes itself: If one is precluded from even questioning "the man's word," how can one possibly find out in the first
place whether the official "has outright lied to you"?

It must be said that a fair-minded journalist ought to tread lightly in scrutinizing a candidate's spouse; but in Janet Huckabee's case, she is a
politician in her own right, having run unsuccessfully for Arkansas Secretary of State. Voters overwhelmingly rejected her, perhaps because they
remembered her propensity for other outrageous statements -- such as the time when she defended secrecy about the donors to her husband's
"charity" by saying that a donor's name "wouldn't be enough. [Then] you'd want to know who he was married to, and then his wife would be
German descent, and you'd have Mike, you'd have him responsible for 600,000 killings of Jews."

Huh?

Of course, nobody accused Huckabee of genocide. But his skin is so thin that when various underlings in his administration, even for bureaus
as small as the state film office, crossed ethical lines (some of them, admittedly, rather minor), the governor consistently and angrily attacked
the media for reporting the transgressions rather than demanding that the transgressors make things right.

Finally, Gov. Huckabee had a propensity to be almost as prodigal with pardons as was his famous predecessor by the name of Clinton. Indeed,
Hillary Clinton's campaign team is probably licking their chops at the prospect of Huck as the nominee, because one of his pardons, in particular,
was so outlandish as to make Willie Horton's case in Massachusetts seem almost child's play by comparison. After Huckabee helped secure the release
of already-well-known rapist Wayne Dumond, the released convict sexually assaulted and murdered a woman in Missouri.

All of which leads one to ask two questions: First, how can voters whose primary concerns are moral look beyond so many of a candidate's problems
with ethics? And, second, if Republicans in general have concluded, as most of them have, that repeated scandals among Washington GOPers
played a huge role in Republican defeats in 2006, how could they possibly nominate somebody who seems to have such big ethical blind spots?

Give this to Huckabee: The man gives a good speech. But so does Duncan Hunter, with the biggest difference being that Hunter's speeches appeal
more to the intellect than the heartstrings -- and that Hunter can boast 25 years of leadership for conservative causes, including on taxing and
spending issues where Huckabee is notoriously un-conservative.

For that matter, if the question is public ethics, all the other major Republican candidates have rather solid records. With so little scandalous material
to look into, why hasn't the usually scandal-ravenous national media delved into the record of the one GOP candidate whose ethics have been repeatedly
questioned in his home state?

Has even the cynical big media been fooled by a Huckster?


Quin Hillyer is a senior editor of The American Spectator. He can be reached at qhillyer@gmail.com.


These articles were linked:

http://www.arktimes.com/Articles/print.aspx?ArticleID=7d5323ff-b2f6-472a-9374-10f367dcacf8

http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/arkansasblog/2006/11/huckabees_registered_for_gifts.aspx

http://www.arktimes.com/blogs/arkansasblog/2007/09/golden_oldie_from_the_huckabee.aspx

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15853756/

Guess this is what you get when you finally start playing with the "Big Boys (and Girl)"
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There's also plenty of other ones.

Illegal immigration, too.

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This is a slogan that resinates with the sheeple of the republican party.

It speaks volumes as to where we stand in modern politics.

People vote party over principle......Reps good......Dems........bad.


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What the @#$%#$#$$%%^$#%.........That is something I dont want from the government.....who ever said retirement was a rite......Moses didn't retire.......


I didn't think Moses ever worked.  I don't know if leading Isralites out of Egypt or talking to a burning bush is considered employment by today's standards.  

I do know there are people called coyotes who lead people out of Mexico and smuggle them in to the United States.  I guess we can call these guys the modern day moses's. I don't know if that's a fair comparison.  


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I didn't think Moses ever worked.  I don't know if leading Isralites out of Egypt or talking to a burning bush is considered employment by today's standards.  

I do know there are people called coyotes who lead people out of Mexico and smuggle them in to the United States.  I guess we can call these guys the modern day moses's. I don't know if that's a fair comparison.  


I understand your reasoning if you’re speaking of coyotes as the ones that are bringing the Mexicans from an oppressed, even slave labor to an area which was better for them to live in.  

The only difference I see is that at the same time, Moses was not taking them to a place that they would have been illegally, hiding under the radar of the local government, not paying their taxes (give to Caesar what is Caesar’s).

And tell me, where is the divine intervention that protects these people in their travels? Remember, many of them die in their travels, including in the unregulated temperatures of the rear of a Schenectady truck driver’s truck that got left on the side of the road.
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This is a slogan that resinates with the sheeple of the republican party.

It speaks volumes as to where we stand in modern politics.

People vote party over principle......Reps good......Dems........bad.

I don't know what this slogan has to do with sheeple. I don't like Hillary...whether she was a dem or rep.
And I don't care whether she is a woman or not. I DON'T LIKE HER PLATFORM!



When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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I don't know what this slogan has to do with sheeple. I don't like Hillary...whether she was a dem or rep.
And I don't care whether she is a woman or not. I DON'T LIKE HER PLATFORM!



I don't like Hillary either....But I am not going to vote for Dennis Kusinich, or John Edwards just because they are not Hillary Clinton.  The slogan suggest you should vote blindly for Hillary's political opponent  just because it isn't Hillary.  Regardless of the other persons character.  That's why we are where we are today.  Voting for the lesser of two evils.


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I don't like Hillary either....But I am not going to vote for Dennis Kusinich,
or John Edwards just because they are not Hillary Clinton.
The slogan suggest you should vote blindly for Hillary's political opponent  just because it isn't Hillary.
Regardless of the other persons character.  That's why we are where we are today.
  Voting for the lesser of two evils.
In some cases, voting for the opposing candidate
is not actually a vote FOR him/her. It is a vote 'AGAINST' the other candidate.
For example, I may vote for Denny for Rotterdam Town board ONLY because I don't want Silva in.
Do I want Denny in? No.
But I want Silva in even less! Sometimes you are just cancelling out someone elses vote.



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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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I didn't think Moses ever worked.  I don't know if leading Isralites out of Egypt or talking to a burning bush is considered employment by today's standards.  

I do know there are people called coyotes who lead people out of Mexico and smuggle them in to the United States.  I guess we can call these guys the modern day moses's. I don't know if that's a fair comparison.  


If he did retire....who paid for his retirement and who took care of him....he was very old after all......and,,,he was very tired of hearing(like in a court of law) all the peoples complaints---hence God told Moses to appoint Judges


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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