Quoted from joebxr

$2 gas will be back after Iran nuclear deal
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/14/news/economy/2-gas-iran-nuclear-deal/

I guess that's all that matters to some, right?  

OPEC will further flood the market, driving the US companies, conventional and fracking, out of the market, or at the very least, putting any expansion plans on hold.
Then, when the next clusterfart comes from the middle east, and you know it will, it will hit the oil markets harder and that $2 gas will be a memory

Quoted from CICERO

The senate ratifies treaties.  Separation of powers.  The president isn't a dictator.

Ah - but the Wizard of Con Artists - Obama - doesn't consider this a treaty.  Here is a quote from last spring:
Secretary of State John Kerry stressed Wednesday that the administration never intended to negotiate a treaty.
“We’ve been clear from the beginning. We’re not negotiating a ‘legally binding plan.’ We’re negotiating a plan that will have in it a capacity for enforcement,”

"the plan that will have in it a capacity for enforcement" can not be amended by either House or Congress - if it were a Treaty than the Senate could amend it.   The "plan that will have in it a capacity for enforcement" can only be debated and then given an up or down vote by both chambers of Congress.  If both vote it down, Obama can veto their decision -- and then Congress would have to override the veto to stop it from going into effect.

Quite frankly this "deal" is the biggest pile of bull sh*t that the Liar-In-Chief has foisted on the American people and the world.  It is also the most dangerous.  

Ah - but the Wizard of Con Artists - Obama - doesn't consider this a treaty.  Here is a QUOTE from last spring:
Secretary of State John Kerry stressed Wednesday that the administration never intended to negotiate a treaty.
“We’ve been clear from the beginning. We’re not negotiating a ‘legally binding plan.’ We’re negotiating a plan that will have in it a capacity for enforcement,”

"the plan that will have in it a capacity for enforcement" can not be amended by either House or Congress - if it were a Treaty than the Senate could amend it.   The "plan that will have in it a capacity for enforcement" can only be debated and then given an up or down vote by both chambers of Congress.  If both vote it down, Obama can veto their decision -- and then Congress would have to override the veto to stop it from going into effect.

Quite frankly this "deal" is the biggest pile of bull sh*t that the Liar-In-Chief has foisted on the American people and the world.  It is also the most dangerous.  

Quoted from Box A Rox

and what Boxy does without even thinking:

Quoted from 55tbird

and what Boxy does without even thinking:

TBird votes for war.  
No surprise there.

Quoted from Box A Rox

TBird votes for war.  
No surprise there.

And Boxy takes everything the Obama admin feeds him with a fork and spoon...
No surprise there...

There really are TWO issues here -- BOTH of which are deadly serious.

#1) Why are Obama and Kerry avoiding the Constitutional process to ratify a treaty by creating the fiction that this agreement is not a treaty?  Why is Congress allowing the Obama and Kerry to get away with it?  Whether you think the deal with Iran is good or bad, you should at least be concerned that our Constitutional system is being undermined.

#2) The deal itself is huge issue. It is a bad deal.  The BIG LIE that if you don't support the deal than you want to go to war is -- quite simply -- BULL sh*t and anyone from Obama to Kerry to Hillary to Pelosi to Tonko or any other sycophant for the inept, corrupt Obama administration is just trying to con the American people.  The fact of the matter is that Iran declared war on the U.S. a long time ago -- think 1979-1980 Hostage Crisis -- and have renewed that declaration of war every time they have supported world-wide terrorism (all the major terrorist groups have been aided by Iran),

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

There really are TWO issues here -- BOTH of which are deadly serious.

#1) Why are Obama and Kerry avoiding the Constitutional process to ratify a treaty by creating the fiction that this agreement is not a treaty?  Why is Congress allowing the Obama and Kerry to get away with it?  Whether you think the deal with Iran is good or bad, you should at least be concerned that our Constitutional system is being undermined.

Um... isn't this treaty going to the Senate to be ratified???
Isn't it in the US Constitution that the SENATE has to ratify any treaty???

So what is the problem?

Quoted from Box A Rox

Um... isn't this treaty going to the Senate to be ratified???
Isn't it in the US Constitution that the SENATE has to ratify any treaty???

So what is the problem?

The problem is, it only takes 1/3 to pass it - and if he doesn't get the 1/3'rd, he can veto it and it becomes law anyway.

Shoved down our throats? Yep.

Quoted from HarryP

The problem is, it only takes 1/3 to pass it - and if he doesn't get the 1/3'rd, he can veto it and it becomes law anyway.

Shoved down our throats? Yep.

But enough votes can override the veto....I think that is what is happening behind
closed doors, because he has said he will veto it.  They are trying to get enough
votes to override it.

So ACCORDING TO THE US CONSTITUTION, it takes 1/3rd to ratify the treaty.

Yet some on this board think the 1/3rd is somehow Obama shoving this down our throats.

It's legal ACCORDING TO THE US CONSTITUTION,  enough votes can override the veto.

If you don't like the US Constitution, then start an amendment to fix it.... Otherwise, what
is the problem?

Is Obama doing something illegal?  Is he subverting the US Constitution?
Is Obama following the rules?
Or do you just oppose Obama no matter what the treaty says?

I don't think Obama is presenting this as a treaty, therefore it does not need Senate ratification. The Senate does have 60 days to review it....that's about it.

For a presented Treaty, the Senate does need a 2/3rd majority to approve it. Obama knows that he'll never get that, that's why its not a treaty.

A quote from John Kerry in March:

Secretary of State John Kerry stressed Wednesday that the administration never intended to negotiate a treaty.
"We've been clear from the beginning. We're not negotiating a 'legally binding plan.' We're negotiating a plan that will have in it a capacity for enforcement," he said at a Senate hearing.