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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The difference between Obama and Cruz is that with Cruz there was NEVER any doubt that he was legally a "natural born citizen of the U.S." because his mother was OVER aged 21 when she gave birth to him in Canada, and, in Obama's case, there was initially some hesitancy to verify that his mother, who was UNDER age 21 and married to a non-citizen, gave birth to him in Hawaii and not Indonesia.   If Obama's mother had given birth to him in Indonesia than Obama would NOT have been a "natural born citizen of the U.S." according to the law at the time that he was born.
In the grand scheme of things, there were so many other negatives about Obama to make the case against his election to the Presidency.  And, similarly, I think there are a number of concerns about Cruz to make teh case against electing him to the presidency.

actually there has been doubt over the years and in some circles doubt remains
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Ask FactCheck
Ted Cruz’s Presidential Eligibility
Posted on March 24, 2015
Q: Is Sen. Ted Cruz, who was born in Canada, eligible to be the U.S. president?
A: Most likely. The legal consensus is that Cruz qualifies because he was born to a U.S. citizen living abroad, making him a U.S. citizen at birth.

FULL QUESTION
Is Ted Cruz eligible to run for president based on the fact he was born in Canada but his mother was American? Exactly what does the Constitution and our other laws say about this?

FULL ANSWER
Sen. Ted Cruz announced on March 23 that he will seek the Republican nomination to be president of the United States in 2016. But, as some readers were quick to point out, Cruz wasn’t born in the U.S. His birth certificate shows he was born in Calgary, Alberta, on Dec. 22, 1970.

The U.S. Constitution requires a president to be a “natural born Citizen.”

Article II, Section 1: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

That should disqualify him from being president, right? Not so fast.

Cruz, who came to the U.S. at age 4, is a citizen by birth because his mother was a U.S. citizen when he was born. For that reason, legal scholars argue that he can likely be president.

In 2013, Sarah Helene Duggin, a Catholic University law professor, wrote: ”There is a strong argument that anyone who acquires United States citizenship at birth, whether by virtue of the 14th Amendment or by operation of federal statute, qualifies as natural born.”

The nonpartisan Congressional Research Service reached a similar conclusion in 2011.

CRS, Nov. 14, 2011: The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth,” either by being born “in” the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship “at birth.” Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an “alien” required to go through the legal process of “naturalization” to become a U.S. citizen.

And this month, Neal Katyal and Paul Clement, two former U.S. solicitors general, writing for the Harvard Law Review, said that Cruz qualifies as a “natural born citizen.”

Katyal and Clement, March 11: All the sources routinely used to interpret the Constitution confirm that the phrase “natural born Citizen” has a specific meaning: namely, someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth with no need to go through a naturalization proceeding at some later time. And Congress has made equally clear from the time of the framing of the Constitution to the current day that, subject to certain residency requirements on the parents, someone born to a U.S. citizen parent generally becomes a U.S. citizen without regard to whether the birth takes place in Canada, the Canal Zone, or the continental United States.

Case closed? Cruz thinks so, as he told Fox News host Sean Hannity on March 23:

Cruz, March 23: The facts are clear. I was born in Calgary. My parents — as a legal matter, my mother is an American citizen by birth. And it’s been federal law for over two centuries that the child of an American citizen born abroad is a citizen by birth, a natural born citizen.

Indeed, the Naturalization Act of 1790, passed three years after the U.S. Constitution was written, said that “the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens.”

But as the CRS pointed out in its report, the 1790 law was superseded by the Naturalization Act of 1795, which changed the language from “natural born citizens” to just “citizens.”

So there is still some lingering uncertainty about Cruz’s eligibility. That’s because the Supreme Court hasn’t ruled on the meaning of “natural born citizen,” which the Constitution doesn’t define.

This is not the first time that a Republican presidential candidate faced such questions. As we have written before, John McCain, who was the Republican nominee in 2008, was born to U.S. citizens in the Panama Canal Zone, and Barry Goldwater, who was the party’s nominee in 1964, was born to U.S. citizens in Arizona before it was a state. George Romney, who was born to U.S. citizens in Mexico, ran for president in 1968, but did not win the nomination.

Even Duggin, who wrote in her 2013 article that “a scholarly consensus is emerging … that anyone who acquires citizenship at birth is natural born for purposes of Article II,” acknowledges that the issue may not be settled.

“In the absence of a definitive Supreme Court ruling — or a constitutional amendment — the parameters of the clause remain uncertain,” she wrote.

– D’Angelo Gore

Sources

Gillman, Todd. “Dual citizenship may pose problem if Ted Cruz seeks presidency.” Dallas Morning News. 18 Aug 2013.

U.S. Department of State. Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship by a Child Born Abroad. Accessed 24 Mar 2015.

Duggin, Sarah Helene. “Is Ted Cruz a natural-born citizen eligible to serve as president?” Constitution Daily. 28 Oct 2013.

Maskel, Jack. “Qualifications for President and the ‘Natural Born’ Citizenship Eligibility Requirement.” Congressional Research Service. 14 Nov 2011.

Katyal, Neal and Clement, Paul. “On the Meaning of ‘Natural Born Citizen.’ ” Harvard Law Review. 11 Mar 2015.

U.S. Constitution. Article II, Section I.

Naturalization Act of 1790. 26 Mar 1790.

Naturalization Act of 1795. 29 Jan 1795.

Bank, Justin. “John McCain’s Presidential Eligibility.” FactCheck.org. 16 Jun 2008.

Hulse, Carl. “McCain’s Canal Zone Birth Prompts Queries About Whether That Rules Him Out.” New York Times. 28 Feb 2008.

“Hannity.” Transcript. Fox News Channel. 23 Mar 2015.



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I hope he's NOT eligible.....that would just eliminate him early-on!!! Don't like him....never did.


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actually there has been doubt over the years and in some circles doubt remains



Yes...box affectionately calls those circles that question presidential eligibility "birthers".  The only people that question Cruz's legal status for president are racists that hate Hispanics.  That last sentence accusing racism usually ends all inquiry into the matter.  End of story.


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Yes...box affectionately calls those circles that question presidential eligibility "birthers".  The only people that question Cruz's legal status for president are racists that hate Hispanics.  That last sentence accusing racism usually ends all inquiry into the matter.  End of story.

So following your philosophy, the only people that questioned Obama's residency were racist, right?
Being a racist yourself, you are intimately knowledgeable about this claim, right?
That means the majority of REPS and TEAPARTIERS are racist...per the almighty all knowing SISSYROO!

PS - Here's a shocker...BOX DID NOT DEFINE USAGE OF THE WORD "BIRTHER"....it pre-dates his posts!


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So following your philosophy, the only people that questioned Obama's residency were racist, right?
Being a racist yourself, you are intimately knowledgeable about this claim, right?
That means the majority of REPS and TEAPARTIERS are racist...per the almighty all knowing SISSYROO!

PS - Here's a shocker...BOX DID NOT DEFINE USAGE OF THE WORD "BIRTHER"....it supersedes his posts!


Yup, box-a-rox has already determined that the "Tea Party" was racist and only became politically active because of a black president.  And they only questioned Obama's legal status to run for president because he is black.  I can go back and show you post upon post of box-a-rox calling tea party rallies a bunch of white racists.  So box's reasoning leads me to believe any question of Cruz's legal eligibility is coming from those that hate Hispanics and don't want to see a Hispanic presidents.

PS - Box a Rox posts nothing original.  Thanks for confirming that!


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Yup, box-a-rox has already determined that the "Tea Party" was racist and only became politically active because of a black president.  And they only questioned Obama's legal status to run for president because he is black.  I can go back and show you post upon post of box-a-rox calling tea party rallies a bunch of white racists.  So box's reasoning leads me to believe any question of Cruz's legal eligibility is coming from those that hate Hispanics and don't want to see a Hispanic presidents.

PS - Box a Rox posts nothing original.  Thanks for confirming that!

What's confirmed is that YOU make statements and then attribute them to others, when YOU are the source of
racist claims, and trying to backdoor it to Box's historical posts....REALLY SISSY??? You made the
claim, so don't blame Box and anything he may have said in the past...that's just Sissy-games!
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The only people that question Cruz's legal status for president are racists that hate Hispanics.

So again, based on YOUR STATEMENTS, many REPS and TEA PARY (and let's include your idol TRUMP) are all
racists for challenging Obama's birth status...correct.....that's what you are saying!!!! Oh, and since you
challenge his birth status, then you are reinforcing your racist position too!


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What's confirmed is that YOU make statements and then attribute them to others, when YOU are the source of
racist claims, and trying to backdoor it to Box's historical posts....REALLY SISSY??? You made the
claim, so don't blame Box and anything he may have said in the past...that's just Sissy-games!


I'll stick to it.  Any questioning of Cruz's eligibility is because of racist motivations.  They are "birthers".  I'll bet box agrees with me.  Questioning a Hispanic's legal status is nothing short of angry old white men trying to prevent a Hispanic from becoming president.


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I'll stick to own it.  Any questioning of Cruz's eligibility is because of racist motivations.  They are "birthers".  I'll bet box agrees with me.  Questioning a Hispanic's legal status is nothing short of angry old white men trying to prevent a Hispanic from becoming president.

I believe Cruz is only 1/2 Hispanic. Only a Hispanic hating racist would call him a HISPANIC because
they have racist motives that are best met by attributing him to that ethnicity!
You fit right in!


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I believe Cruz is only 1/2 Hispanic. Only a Hispanic hating racist would call him a HISPANIC because
they have racist motives that are best met by attributing him to that ethnicity!
You fit right in!


ohhhhh....He's only 1/2 Hispanic.  Not Hispanic enough to be considered Hispanic?  Wow!  You and Bill Richardson questioning Cruz's Hispanic credentials.  Talk about having racist tendencies.  Hey, let me guess Joey, Obama's only 1/2 white, so you don't consider him white?

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Bill Richardson: Ted Cruz should not ‘be defined as a Hispanic’

Former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (D), a leading Hispanic voice in the Democratic Party, said Sunday that Republican Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) shouldn't be considered a Hispanic.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....fined-as-a-hispanic/


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ohhhhh....He's only 1/2 Hispanic.  Not Hispanic enough to be considered Hispanic?  Wow!  You and Bill Richardson questioning Cruz's Hispanic credentials.  Talk about having racist tendencies.  Hey, let me guess Joey, Obama's only 1/2 white, so you don't consider him white?



http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....fined-as-a-hispanic/


No dumbass, I don't question his Hispanic ethnicity...I just don't consider someone that is
1/2 Hispanic to be just HISPANIC, like racists like you do. Same for Obama, I believe the racists like you tagged him
Black, when reality is he is 1/2 white.  I believe people should not be tagged with their ethnicities to define them, but
if you and other racists insist, then at least get it right and tag them with their mixed ethnicity. Of course your
narrow minded racist mentality can't comprehend such a simple concept.

You should red your own link and see why Richardson was talking about. It's not because of his ethnicity,
but because of his political positions that do not coincide with what Richardson feels are Hispanic best interests.
Geez, you really are a thick headed dumbass!!!!


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"Approval ratings go up and down for various reasons... An example is the high post 911 support for
GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

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actually there has been doubt over the years and in some circles doubt remains



I understand what you are conveying.  However, I don't personally believe that the Supreme Court would rule Ted Cruz ineligible to serve as President of the United States.

Having said that, I would suggest that a combination of Ted Cruz for President and Ben Carson for Vice President would quite possibly be a great GOP ticket. Two men, who rose from bottom, to make something good of their lives and who should be an inspiration to all young Americans regardless of ethnicity or any other factor.

It is my hope that Ben Carson makes it on the GOP ticket or at least into the Cabinet in a GOP White House in January 2017.  Of all the people that I have met and have had the privilege of working with, Ben Carson impressed me the most and taught me so much.


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Sununu Says Obama Is Inciting Birthers

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Former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu said that President Obama is “inciting” birther conspiracy
theorists by planning a trip to Kenya this summer, TPM reports.
Said Sununu: “I think his trip back to Kenya is going to create a lot of chatter and commentary amongst
some of the hard right, who still don’t see him as having been born in the U.S. I personally think he’s just
inciting some chatter on an issue that should have been a dead issue a long time ago.”

Kind of like if Cruz planned a trip to Canada... Would he be "inciting Birthers" too???


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