Hear tell of a possible plan to raise homes at the end of the Stockade feeder streets where they meet the park.   Coincidence with the casino project/harbor dredging?   The project was not supposed to cause any additinal flooding.   But since the flooding that used to occur at the ALCO site will now be displaced to surrounding areas, the displaced water must go somewhere.   The site itself is being raised to keep the water from flooding the site.  

don't forget about sewage control and water levels....

Doesn't the Army Corp of Engineers decide on that harbor project? Is it a go? As for the Stockade houses, ridiculous if true or not.

My understanding is that Lock 7 is the problem. The casino project is not.  I am concerned however about the below article.  If all of the dams are altered in this federal project to allow trees to pass through all of them except 7 couldn't the issue at lock 7 get worse?



http://www.timesunion.com/business/article/Flood-cure-leaves-holes-5931149.php

Schenectady

The federal government is spending more than $75 million to help the state rebuild eight Mohawk River dams, in part to help reduce flood risk along the Erie Canal. But the feds have no plans to spend anything on a century-old dam in the Capital Region that some blame for worsening storm-fueled floods.

These funds from the Federal Emergency Management Agency are supporting about $103 million in repairs and upgrades to dams in communities along a 40-mile stretch of the Mohawk that was pounded by tropical storms Irene and Lee in 2011. Work by the state Canal Corp. has already started and is expected to run through 2018.

Reconstruction of the dams from Lock E15 at Fort Plain in Montgomery County to Lock E8 at Scotia in Schenectady County includes new equipment that will allow portions of the dams to be raised out of the way to let the Mohawk flow unimpeded when floodwaters threaten. Flood warning equipment is also being installed.



Being able to lift dams also will allow uprooted trees and other storm debris to flow freely, rather than build up behind dams. Backed-up debris caught in dams can cause the river to back up and worsen flooding.

The Canal Corp. estimated that rebuilt dams should be able to reduce local floodwater levels by between 2 and 8 feet, which will be welcome news for Mohawk Valley residents who have long complained that the dams were making flood waters back up higher because canal officials were more concerned about protecting locks from fast-moving water.

Not on the project list is the concrete dam at Lock 7 in Vischer Ferry, which a retired architect who lives in Schenectady's flood-prone Stockade district claims is actually fueling floods. North Street resident James Duggan claims because the dam cannot be opened in any way, it forces floodwaters to back up behind it and inundate low-lying portions of Schenectady, Scotia and Glenville.

The dam holds back a pool of water that stretches westward about seven miles. Rising floodwaters from Irene that collected behind the dam swamped areas that included the campus of Schenectady County Community College, the Stockade neighborhood, and the popular Jumpin' Jack's snack bar in Scotia.

"There is no means for the Lock 7 dam to respond to flooding. It is a 'dumb' dam in that it is totally passive," said Duggan, adding: "This dam induces the flooding and its damages." He said the dam needs to be rebuilt so water behind it can be quickly drained away during times of flood.

Last month, he sent the Canal Corp. a self-created report that outlined his assessment of the dam's functioning and challenged the corporation's stance that the dam is not a problem. "I am not a civil engineer. But I do understand physics," he said.

Both state and federal officials said the Lock 7 dam was not part of the overall Erie Canal dam upgrade project.

"We do not have full jurisdiction over the dam at Lock E7. While the dam is owned by the Canal Corporation, it is operated and maintained by the New York Power Authority, which is regulated by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission," said Canal Corp. spokesman Shane Mahar.

FEMA spokeswoman Alison Kohler said the Vischer Ferry Dam was not eligible for federal support to be rebuilt because the dam itself "did not sustain disaster-related damage that necessitated repair costs." Damage to the community behind the dam was not part of the FEMA aid program, she added.

Kohler said comments about the dam made to FEMA by Duggan and Russell Wege, a retired engineer for the state Department of Environmental Conservation, were sent to the State Division of Homeland Security and Emergency Services to pass on to New York Power Authority.

Wege has estimated it could cost up to $100 million to modify the Vischer Ferry dam.

Glenville Supervisor Christopher Koetzle said he was not familiar with Duggan's report. But he said the town is studying how to protect its drinking water wells, which are near the Mohawk.

Thank god for Stratton.

He's surely the rocket scientist who can solve this problem.

I would have to believe that all of the new casino developments will have to carry hefty flood insurance.
this is just NUTS! imho

Quoted from JackBauer

Thank god for Stratton.

He's surely the rocket scientist who can solve this problem.

ROTFLMAO!! But he looks brilliant next to the current occupant. "The water goes up and water goes down"-but City taxes only go up and the number of taxpayers keeps
going down. Also termed renaissance in moron circles.

Quoted from bumblethru

I would have to believe that all of the new casino developments will have to carry hefty flood insurance.
this is just NUTS! imho

I have worked on casinos up and down the Mississippi -from Biloxi/ Bay St Louis,  Baton Rouge  on up to Tunica Mississippi.  They figure it out believe me.

But then again it didnt matter with Katrina. Some of the smaller casinos sunk in Biloxi. I saw one that had 10 feet of water in the ground floor. They go in with bob cats and tear every thing out. The slot machines cost around 20 grand a piece btw- but the food floating from food and beverage was disgusting .

Many use stuff like flood panels http://www.floodpanel.com/flood-protection-products/  or http://www.megasecur.com/flood-control

Note the coincedence of the house raising plan,890 intersection by GE reconfiguration(where local leaders for the casino state that the majority of casino patrons will traverse through),the roundabout, and a proposed new pump station in Riverside Park in the Stockade.   All within the realm of the new casino.   New pump station needed to facilitate supply lines to the casino?

Quoted from Sombody

I have worked on casinos up and down the Mississippi -from Biloxi/ Bay St Louis,  Baton Rouge  on up to Tunica Mississippi.  They figure it out believe me.

But then again it didnt matter with Katrina. Some of the smaller casinos sunk in Biloxi. I saw one that had 10 feet of water in the ground floor. They go in with bob cats and tear every thing out. The slot machines cost around 20 grand a piece btw- but the food floating from food and beverage was disgusting .

Many use stuff like flood panels http://www.floodpanel.com/flood-protection-products/  or http://www.megasecur.com/flood-control

Interesting product.   Thanks for the link.   So the water does/will get displaced elsewhere to the surrounding areas once the flood waters cannot occupy the ALCO/casino land area.   Back to the Stockade/East Front St. neighborhood or to the Glenville/Scotia side.   Theres no way that a flood will be allowed to inhabit a project valued at almost a half billion $$$.   So where is the water to go?  Unless the Lock 7 dam is opened(which has no gates,just a spillway) one can surmise it will back up to the West.

Quoted from benny salami

ROTFLMAO!! But he looks brilliant next to the current occupant. "The water goes up and water goes down"-but City taxes only go up and the number of taxpayers keeps
going down. Also termed renaissance in moron circles.

And if you looked at the stuff from the finance director, she said the property tax levy has been going down every year.  Talk about an incompetent director.  Levy goes down but city tax bills go up?   Naturally, when the dems are handing out tax exemptions to their millionaire political cronies and having the homeowners cover the loss or revenue from these tax exemptions.  

The Schenectady dems and their cheerleaders know how to spread the pain among the homeowners, while the downtown property owners don't have the word pain in their vocabulary.

And more houses get put up for sale, more people leave their house before it's sold, more houses taking a year to sell.

Quoted from bumblethru

I would have to believe that all of the new casino developments will have to carry hefty flood insurance.
this is just NUTS! imho

Would the casino and that whole Galesi land even be considered insurable?   Oh, that's OK, the city/co/plex will make sure the homeowners in the city bail them out if they get flooded.

Curious, as virtually all homeowners' insurance does not cover floods, but homeowners living in designated communities can, and sometimes may even be mandated (by their mortgage entity) to carry flood insurance, what about businesses?

Quoted from MOONGLOW

Hear tell of a possible plan to raise homes at the end of the Stockade feeder streets where they meet the park.   Coincidence with the casino project/harbor dredging?   The project was not supposed to cause any additinal flooding.   But since the flooding that used to occur at the ALCO site will now be displaced to surrounding areas, the displaced water must go somewhere.   The site itself is being raised to keep the water from flooding the site.  

"Heard tell of a possible plan" sounds pretty sketchy.  Is this similar to hearing someone saying that they might have overheard someone talking about someone who might have seen Big Foot?

Quoted from mikechristine1

Would the casino and that whole Galesi land even be considered insurable?   Oh, that's OK, the city/co/plex will make sure the homeowners in the city bail them out if they get flooded.

Curious, as virtually all homeowners' insurance does not cover floods, but homeowners living in designated communities can, and sometimes may even be mandated (by their mortgage entity) to carry flood insurance, what about businesses?

Mr realestate expert - you obviously know that if you live in a flood plane and have a mortgage you NEED TO BUY FLOOD INSURANCE.
If there is no mortgage you  dont.  
Why do you want to pretend your curious ?  Its not good to talk out of both sides of your mouth.

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

"Heard tell of a possible plan" sounds pretty sketchy.  Is this similar to hearing someone saying that they might have overheard someone talking about someone who might have seen Big Foot?

This particular proposal was broached at the Nov.2014 Stockade Assoc. meeting. by NYS officials in attendance.   You may contact the SA President for confirmation if you are so inclined.   One cannot make this up.  By the way we noticed you could not confirm with proof that this statement  was not without merit after your comment to the contrary.