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I don't want children to go hungry but at some point you have to ask what is a parent responsibility. When do we start to hold parent accountable for the decisions they make? We provide healthcare, we provide schooling, we provide now three meals a day, we provide backpacks with school supplies, we provide housing....

When is enough enough?
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I don't want children to go hungry but at some point you have to ask what is a parent responsibility. When do we start to hold parent accountable for the decisions they make? We provide healthcare, we provide schooling, we provide now three meals a day, we provide backpacks with school supplies, we provide housing....

When is enough enough?


the state can't hold the parents responsible if they did it would turn into this:

1. blood test of the 2 people mixing sperm/ovum
2. IQ tests
3. education level
4. physical fitness tests
5. BMI's
6. mandatory parenting classes
7. drug testing
8. personal references
9. family trees
10. mandatory valid stateID
11. health insurance coverage
12. state accepted list of baby names
14. state accepted 'switch'


the list is endless.......

in the end it would turn out to be mandatory sterilization........

we are a land of laws that creep and creep and creep and creep and creep............

they might just as well toss in some NYS lotto tickets and scratch offs into the back packs...........


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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This is why we need mass immigration.  We need poor immigrants to pick the fruits and vegitables that the American "poor" expect to be given to them for free to feed their children.  Because immigrants do jobs that Americans aren't willing to do.  


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I'm not saying there are no poor...but there always will be hungry poor because they have to work to pay for other people to grow the
food or to process the food products that they need....

cities and ANY system will make poor people.....

it's more insidious than we know.....it's not a conspiracy it's either

1. the inability to see what the collateral damage will be
OR
2. the ability to see what the collateral damage will be and give everything a value acceptable to society to keep the machine status quo


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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You all sound like a bunch of heartless sons of a bitches.  


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You all sound like a bunch of heartless sons of a bitches.  


Heartless?  You advocate democrat leadership that taxes the blood out of its residents,  resulting in families that are reliant on the government to feed their children.  Talk about heartless? Excessive taxation on the property of the poor to pay the salaries of city employees that don't even live in the city is absolutely disgraceful.  

Please tell me what a big heart you have as you cheer the policies of the well-to-do city officials by name, and claim to give a sh*t about the nameless and faceless poor.


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You all sound like a bunch of heartless sons of a bitches.  



Hey, DV YOU are the one cheering and praising the dems and plex who are taxing the homeowners so high--forcing the financially struggling homeowners to pay the taxes of the billionaire Galesi and the rest of the millionaires downtown.  

DV YOU are the one who cheers for the dems and plex to force homeowners to pay the taxes of the "honorable millionaire Marcella" AND pay the Marcella family's delinquent taxes because they are TAX DEADBEATs


You call yourself a Catholic?    YOU Praise and cheer to raise the taxes of homeowners so they don't have money left to feed their children.   And you call yourself a Catholic?

What would Jesus do?    Would He support you in your cheerleading for downtown?   Would He support the dems and plex making homeowners pay the taxes of the millionaires downtown?    Would He support homeowners having to pay the taxes of Frankie and Mary?   Would Jesus support lavish salary of King Phillip?  Would Jesus support the theft from the taxpayers of tens of millions of dollars to use for a theater?   Would Jesus support King Philip getting rich from a lavish banquet hall without every putting on a dinner for the homeless in the city?

Hey, instead of the taxpayers paying for the weekend meals, how about calling for King Phillip to feed the school kids at the lavish banquet hall?   In exchange for all the tens of millions of our tax dollars, King Phillip has an obligation to feed the poor.


Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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You all sound like a bunch of heartless sons of a bitches.  



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Heartless?  You advocate democrat leadership that taxes the blood out of its residents,  resulting in families that are reliant on the government to feed their children.  Talk about heartless? Excessive taxation on the property of the poor to pay the salaries of city employees that don't even live in the city is absolutely disgraceful.  

Please tell me what a big heart you have as you cheer the policies of the well-to-do city officials by name, and claim to give a sh*t about the nameless and faceless poor.




Sad thing is this DV--who CLAIMS to be Catholic--will NOT, and I repeat NOT, EVER address the FACT that the dems and plex increasing the taxes on homeowners by making the homeowners pay for the millionaires downtown.  The only thing this self-defined Catholic does is praise the dems for the wild uncontrolled spending of taxpayer money on downtown (but notice he REFUSES to put his pinky toe, IN the city, not even as a renter---just keeps shaking those pom poms on his chest for the spending), and praisse the city & county dems and plex for taking taxpayer money to give to their multimillionaire political cronies downtown.

Notice how DV has been TOTALLY SILENT about Marcella since I provided the EVIDENCE that Marcella is a tax deadbeat!


Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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Sad thing is this DV to claims to be Catholic will NOT, and I repeat NOT, EVER address the dems and plex increasing the taxes on homeowners by making the homeowners pay for the millionaires downtown

Notice how DV has been TOTALLY SILENT about Marcella since I provided the EVIDENCE that Marcella is a tax deadbeat!


I don't know anything more heartless than creating an economic condition that forces parents to go hat-in-hand to the government so they can feed their families.  What does that do to their dignity and self esteem?  All the while, praising corporate welfare multi millionaires and city employees that earn double and triple the median income of the residents they "serve".  If the poor were not so ignorant to the fact of what was being done to them, they would surely be at City Hall with pitchforks and torches.


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Jim Hightower | US Populist Movement Is on the Rise

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On February 8, 2014, the United Workers and Healthcare Is a Human Right campaign - Maryland joined thousands in Raleigh, North Carolina for the kickoff to the 2014 Moral Mondays movement. (Photo: United Workers / Flickr)


JIM HIGHTOWER ON BUZZFLASH AT TRUTHOUT

My father, W.F. "High" Hightower, was a populist. Only, he didn't know it. Didn't know the word, much less the history or anything about populism's democratic ethos. My father was not philosophical, but he had a phrase that he used to express the gist of his political beliefs: "Everybody does better when everybody does better."

Before the populists of the late 1800s gave its instinctive rebelliousness a name, it had long been established as a defining trait of our national character: The 1776 rebellion was not only against King George III's government but against the corporate tyranny of such British monopolists as the East India Trading Company.

The establishment certainly doesn't celebrate the populist spirit, and our educational system avoids bothering students with our vibrant, human story of constant battles, big and small, mounted by "little people" against ... well, against the establishment. The Keepers of the Corporate Order take care to avoid even a suggestion that there is an important political pattern — a historic continuum — that connects Thomas Paine's radical democracy writings in the late 1700s to Shays' Rebellion in 1786, to strikes by mill women and carpenters in the early 1800s, to Jefferson's 1825 warning about the rising aristocracy of banks and corporations "riding and ruling over the plundered ploughman," to the launching of the women's suffrage movement at Seneca Falls in 1848, to the maverick Texans who outlawed banks in their 1845 state constitution, to the bloody and ultimately successful grassroots struggle for the abolition of slavery, and to the populist movement itself, plus the myriad rebellions that followed right into our present day.

WHAT POPULISM IS NOT: An empty word for lazy reporters to attach to any angry spasm of popular discontent. (And it's damn sure not Sarah Palin and today's clique of Koch-funded, corporate-hugging, tea party Republicans.)

WHAT IT IS: For some 238 years, it has been the chief political impulse in America's body politick — determinedly democratic, vigilantly resistant to the oppressive power of corporations and Wall Street, committed to grassroots percolate-up economics, and firmly rooted in my old daddy's concept of "Everybodyness," recognizing that we're all in this together.

Although it was organized into a formal movement for only about 25 years, Populism has had an outsized, long-term, and ongoing impact on our culture, public policies, economic structure and governing systems. Even though its name is rarely used and its history largely hidden, and neither major party will embrace it (much less become it), there are many more people today whose inherent political instincts are populist, rather than conservative or liberal.

Yet the pundits and politicos frame our choices in terms of that narrow con-lib ideological spectrum, ignoring the fact that most of us are neither, or a bit of both. Our nation's true political spectrum is not right to left, but top to bottom. People can locate themselves along this vertical rich-to-poor spread, for this is not a theoretical positioning: It's based on our real-world experience with money and power. This is America's real politics.

Today's workaday majority can plainly see that a privileged few at the top are separating their fortunes as fast as they can from the well-being of the rest of us. We've also seen that after the 2008 economic collapse, both major parties rushed to wipe the fevered brows of the pampered few with our tax dollars and did little about the crash in wages, income, wealth and economic power of the bottom 90 percent. Six years later, Congress continues to ignore the ongoing destruction of the middle class and the unconscionable rise in poverty — unless you count last year's cuts to food stamp funding and jobless benefits as "doing something."

Our system of representative government has, in a word, collapsed. Most Congress critters are not even trying anymore — not listening to the people, not even knowing any regular folks, and not representing their interests. But what we also have is a ripening political opportunity for a revitalized, 21st-century populist movement.

Every day, there are populist uprisings, both large and small, all across this country. Towns taking on Big Oil frackers, cities raising the minimum wage, fast-food workers demanding a living wage, states taking on GMO labeling, Moral Monday, Truthful Tuesday, and other movements spreading across the South to fight for social justice. These are just a few examples of the budding populist movement that is striving to make everybody do better.


every there is a fresh movement some political jackass shows up to own it and make promises


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I don't know anything more heartless than creating an economic condition that forces parents to go hat-in-hand to the government so they can feed their families.  What does that do to their dignity and self esteem?  All the while, praising corporate welfare multi millionaires and city employees that earn double and triple the median income of the residents they "serve".  If the poor were not so ignorant to the fact of what was being done to them, they would surely be at City Hall with pitchforks and torches.



I have to agree


The ignorant poor are staying and sponging off the taxpayers

The millionaires come and befriend the dems and plex knowing they will get rich off the homeowners, without even living here themselves, they get a building built for them and don't have to pay the taxes here

Those who praise the local leadership can become tax deadbeats themselves and keep their homes.

Some of the smart people left before selling their home was a problem

Other smart people fled the city already and have had their homes listed for sale for a year with no buyers because no one wants to buy a house IN the city (for all the praise he bestows on the city and plex, even DV will NOT buy a house IN the city, he knows the truth, just won't admit it to us)

Other people are smart and suffering and would love to leave, but they can't afford to pay a mortgage outside the city while paying a mortgage on their city house -- the alternative being ruining ones' credit, so they are stuck here.






Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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-- the alternative being ruining ones' credit, so they are stuck here.


You can't ruin your credit.  If you do, it will be short lived.  Banks will be forced to loosen lending standards to enslave people to their homes and collect the interest off their labor.  Remember, credit isn't a benefit to the borrower, it is profits for the lender.  No worries, this will happen naturally, through the laws of economics.


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Heartless?  You advocate democrat leadership that taxes the blood out of its residents,  resulting in families that are reliant on the government to feed their children.  Talk about heartless? Excessive taxation on the property of the poor to pay the salaries of city employees that don't even live in the city is absolutely disgraceful.  

Please tell me what a big heart you have as you cheer the policies of the well-to-do city officials by name, and claim to give a sh*t about the nameless and faceless poor.


IF you ever told the truth - which you dob't seem to be in a habit of doing - than you would a) know that local taxes have been high during BOTH Republican and Democratic leadership (Metroplex spending began under Republican leadership)  and b) you would know that it is a complete bunch of bull sh*t to say that I advocate higher taxes or that I support the things you said.  
I have always believed and repeatedly stated that EVERY public employee should live within the municipality or county for which they work.
And just because the he/she idiot whose name I shall not mention posts something claiming that I believe something doesn't make it true.  
Furthermore, you know that I have NOT cheered all of the policies of Democrats -- I have taken Tonko, Cuomo and Obama to task repeatedly.  I never cheered for or even voted for 2 of those 3.

You on the other hand came out and suggested that the City School Board should not partner with a non-profit organization to help get food to children who might go hungry over the weekend.  You are the heartless s.o.b.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

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Furthermore, you know that I have NOT cheered all of the policies of Democrats -- I have taken Tonko, Cuomo and Obama to task repeatedly.  I never cheered for or even voted for 2 of those 3.




You DO CHEER for the Democrats in the city and county and metroplex.

You CHEER for them, and lavish praise on them for giving out 100% tax exemptions WITH NO END YEAR (and I have provided the EVIDENCE several times and you have NOT found ONE ITSY BITSY TEENY WEENY SHRED OF EVIDENCE to contradict my evidence!!!!!!)

You lavish PRAISE  and you shake those pom poms on your chest,  CHEERING ENDLESSLY for STUPID UNNECESSARY fancy light poles, trees and islands on Erie Blvd (while the streets where taxpayers live are in poor condition); CHEERING ENDLESSLY for the WILD, UNCONTROLLED spending of the taxpayer money on all those gin mills, theaters, hotels, restaurants, bakery, appliance store, all places owned by MULTI-millionaires, and billionaires who have more than enough money to build their own places downtown, and then you CHEER ENDLESSLY for the homeowners paying the tax bill.

I have provided the EVIDENCE to you that the MULTIBILLIONAIRE Galesi has the ALCO land where the casino will be and it is 100% TAX EXEMPT with NO END YEAR which means the casino, the apartments, the hotel, etc will NOT produce the tax revenue needed by the city, the HOMEOWNERS WILL PAY FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And how YOU CHERING for Marcella, praising him as such a wonderful person, NONE OF THEM lives IN the city, and the ones that own property in the city are tax DEADBEATS!


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You on the other hand came out and suggested that the City School Board should not partner with a non-profit organization to help get food to children who might go hungry over the weekend.  You are the heartless s.o.b.


The Schenectady School Board should not propose a budget raising taxes 2.75% in essence taking food out of the children's mouths, then partner with the food bank to feed the children that they just got done raising the taxes on, and then pretending they are some kind of humanitarians.  

If they were truly humanitarians and cared about the "children", then they would look at the fact that 80% of the children cannot afford food without assistance, and raising the taxes on the parents of these children isn't going to make it any better for them.  In fact, it is going to make it worse.

As a matter of fact, I believe there are actually School Board members that have problems affording their own school taxes.  I'm not sure if it's proper for a school board member that does not pay school taxes to vote on a school budget.


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