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joebxr
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While I personally don't think Stewart would have jeopardized his lucrative NASCAR career, the fact that he has temper issues and the fact that PR can indeed cover up Stewart being at fault So you subscribe to a cover-up/conspiracy and don't believe Jury verdict!
and the fact that, contrary to what YOU said that "all the information" has been presented (your post about the grand jury), we really do NOT know if all the information was presented and presented accurately. and you don't know that it wasn't!
  Tell us DV, WHO are the drivers that were witnesses in the grand jury?   Long experienced sprint car drivers?   Rookies?   Perhaps dirt mod drivers that race sprints occasionally like Stewart does?   Since we do NOT know WHO the drivers are that were part of the grand jury, we do not know if they are totally knowledgeable to speak.  and you don't know that they aren't!
Accident reconstruction people?   Who were they?   The people that conduct such reconstructions that occur on the Thruway or some municipal street?   Or are they exclusively accident reconstruction people who deal with racing and with sprint cars?    So DV, who are these accident reconstruction people?   What is their experience? and you don't know that they weren't racing experts, do you...so very likely they could have been!]

The FACT is DV, YOU ARE WRONG, that we do NOT know that all information was presented.
Grand jury is one sided and secret (just like your buddy dems in the city, county, and plex)


DV and DEMS; DV and DEMS; DV and DEMS...every friggin' post of yours is DV and DEMS!!!! Only reason
you post at all is DV and DEMS!  I really think there is a bromance thing going on here!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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So you subscribe to a cover-up/conspiracy and don't believe Jury verdict!


Man, you love pulling the cover up/conspiracy card.  Believing their verdict is separate from questioning the post verdict communication.  You can believe the verdict, but it is logical to question the DA's public statements(which are purely opinion) as to why the 23 jurors reached their decision.


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Man, you love pulling the cover up/conspiracy card.  Believing their verdict is separate from questioning the post verdict communication.  You can believe the verdict, but it is logical to question the DA's public statements(which are purely opinion) as to why the 23 jurors reached their decision.


Man you really like to redirect...read this statement MC1:
"...PR can indeed cover up Stewart being at fault..."
So who is pulling the cover up/conspiracy card????  
Looks like you and MC1 are the ones doing it!
You both bring up the PR firm having (insinuating) they
can manipulate everything...so it also implies the justice system is
totally corrupt.  Every local resident that sat on that jury was
obviously "influenced" according to you and MC1's "PR MANIPULATION"!
Others and myself are telling you "WRONG!!!!"


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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DV and DEMS; DV and DEMS; DV and DEMS...every friggin' post of yours is DV and DEMS!!!! Only reason
you post at all is DV and DEMS!  I really think there is a bromance thing going on here![/b]


AMEN!!!!!!!!!

ALL MC1 DOES IS b**ch AND BASH and yet has offered NO solution to the 'alleged' problem!!

and when someone does offer solutions......mc1 has a million excuses on why it won't work!!


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AMEN!!!!!!!!!

ALL MC1 DOES IS b**ch AND BASH and yet has offered NO solution to the 'alleged' problem!!

and when someone does offer solutions......mc1 has a million excuses on why it won't work!!




Well you have NOT provided an answer to how people who mandatorily have taxes escrowed can force their bank not to pay the taxes


Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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Well you have NOT provided an answer to how people who mandatorily have taxes escrowed can force their bank not to pay the taxes


Who...Tony Stewart?  I mean THAT IS THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD!!!!!!


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Quoted from mikechristine1



While I personally don't think Stewart would have jeopardized his lucrative NASCAR career, the fact that he has temper issues and the fact that PR can indeed cover up Stewart being at fault So you subscribe to a cover-up/conspiracy and don't believe Jury verdict!
and the fact that, contrary to what YOU said that "all the information" has been presented (your post about the grand jury), we really do NOT know if all the information was presented and presented accurately. and you don't know that it wasn't!
  Tell us DV, WHO are the drivers that were witnesses in the grand jury?   Long experienced sprint car drivers?   Rookies?   Perhaps dirt mod drivers that race sprints occasionally like Stewart does?   Since we do NOT know WHO the drivers are that were part of the grand jury, we do not know if they are totally knowledgeable to speak.  and you don't know that they aren't!
Accident reconstruction people?   Who were they?   The people that conduct such reconstructions that occur on the Thruway or some municipal street?   Or are they exclusively accident reconstruction people who deal with racing and with sprint cars?    So DV, who are these accident reconstruction people?   What is their experience? and you don't know that they weren't racing experts, do you...so very likely they could have been!]




Hey, I stated while I personally don't think Stewart(any driver of his level) would jeopardize their lucrative career by intentionally killing someone, I am trying to say that I can be objective enough to understand that there could be validity to whose who claim that Stewart tried to scare Ward (but in attempting to do so, well we know the result).

That said, people who understand the grand jury system know that it's the prosecution side only.  We also know that it is done in secret.   We do not even know if witnesses were objective

Therefore, we do NOT know if "ALL THE INFORMATION" was presented to the grand jury, even though someone  (who knows nothing about racing) claimed that all the info was presented.




Racing, and the accidents that happen, are not like driving on a municipal street or a highway.  
Racing on dirt is different than racing on asphalt
Racing sprints on dirt is different than driving mods on dirt
Sprint cars don't even have starters

Police were questioned?   What do police know about racing?
Who are the people that investigated/reconstructed the accident and what were their qualifications?  Were they people just from the local dirt tracks or were they expert witnesses, perhaps engineers, from the sprint car field?

Where is the proof that ALL the information was presented?   It was done in secret?   Does the Ward family or Stewart get a transcript?

Why couldn't they save the taxpayers money, skip the jury trial (jurors who probably have never set foot at a race track nor even watched a NASCAR race on TV), so save the taxpayer money and come out in public with detailed listing of who investigated and what their qualifications and experience, and present the findings to the public.  

The grand jury system is what it is, it will never be changed.  (well, unrelated, but I'm sure that if the people in Ferguson don't see an indictment, they'll start something to eliminate it but not getting into that).

Not trying to take sides, just seeing both sides and since we do not know if all the information was presented to the grand jury, we won't ever know whether Stewart REALLY tried to avoid Ward or scare him.


By the way. Stewart doesn't believe he will race sprints again



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Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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Who...Tony Stewart?  I mean THAT IS THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD!!!!!!



Apologies, was making a statement to the wrong poster


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AMEN!!!!!!!!!

ALL MC1 DOES IS b**ch AND BASH and yet has offered NO solution to the 'alleged' problem!!

and when someone does offer solutions......mc1 has a million excuses on why it won't work!!



And bumble, what is your solution to the people in the city, the vast majority who cannot force their bank to not pay taxes because escrow is mandatory?   Not looking for an answer here in this thread, just making a statement of truth


Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
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There is obviously no conspiracy.  Mr. Stewart didn't do anything wrong except end up on the receiving end of a hot-headed young man's irresponsible, walking on the track tirade.*  Mr, Ward should have known better than to get out of his race car and walk INTO moving traffic on the track.  He learned his lesson the hard way but - as I have said previously - unfortunately the lesson cost him his life.  

* It seems like anyone who is in a public position can find themselves stalked by an irresponsible, hot head - in this case the kid had marijuana in his system -- in other cases the stalker is just a plain old nutcase.



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There is obviously no conspiracy.  Mr. Stewart didn't do anything wrong except end up on the receiving end of a hot-headed young man's irresponsible, walking on the track tirade.*  Mr, Ward should have known better than to get out of his race car and walk INTO moving traffic on the track.  He learned his lesson the hard way but - as I have said previously - unfortunately the lesson cost him his life.  

* It seems like anyone who is in a public position can find themselves stalked by an irresponsible, hot head - in this case the kid had marijuana in his system -- in other cases the stalker is just a plain old nutcase.




And how do you know that?????       DV, how do you know for an ABSOLUTE FACT that Stewart did not try to scare Ward????    


Well, have you got an answer to that?      

Didn't think you could respond and provide proof


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And how do you know that?????       DV, how do you know for an ABSOLUTE FACT that Stewart did not try to scare Ward????    
[b]DO YOU KNOW THAT HE DID?  OR IS IT WORD OF MOUTH FROM THE SAME FRIEND
THAT SAID STEWART WA ARRESTED WHEN HE WASN'T?[/b
]


You continue to make points against the process and question validity.
So that means you have no confidence in the system...well that's your problem.
What else should have been done?  Couldn't bring someone to public trial
without charges and that was what the GJ was about. You question competence of
whomever was called to testify....how is that different from those same experts
testifying in a public trial....just like everything else, if you don't agree with their
testimony you will raise their qualifications. You ask the racing knowledge of police that testified,
why do you think it had anything to do with their testimony. They likely testified to issues
of a Police nature, doubtful they were called to explain anything about dirt races. On and
on and on....and to challenge DVOR AGAIN, you are obsessed....get over it. You already
know you will not hear from him, so why much up EVERY POST with DVOR challenges...
it's a total waste...put your efforts toward something more positive, like bringing all your
cut-n-paste info and claims to the media to expose the corruption you say exists.


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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his death was a result of pure evolution in action......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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No, his PR people did a good job getting the DA to publicize the toxicology results at the PRESS CONFERENCE.  What do they have to do with anything besides smearing the dead victim that can't defend himself.  Pretty shrewd...


The results are a part of the case.  Just as it would be published if Stewart had drugs in his system.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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