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Re-read my post... you got it wrong yet again.

I didn't 'discredit The Guardian or Reuters.  


I did read it.  You wrote about journalistic integrity.  You weren't talking about the news outlets I cited?  You never responded to why they would report a story about US training ISIS and referencing a Jordanian official, if they didn't trust their sources allegations.  You would think a journalist with integrity and a news outlet with integrity would never allow such a story to be printed if the source was not reliable.


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I did read it.  You wrote about journalistic integrity.  You weren't talking about the news outlets I cited?  You never responded to why they would report a story about US training ISIS and referencing a Jordanian official, if they didn't trust their sources allegations.  You would think a journalist with integrity and a news outlet with integrity would never allow such a story to be printed if the source was not reliable.


It's a story (true or not) that is in the press... Just like the story...
"Tony Stewart Arrested".
  They reported the unverified story that may or may not be true (and they reported it that way)
but is in the news.


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It's a story (true or not) that is in the press... Just like the story...
"Tony Stewart Arrested".
  They reported the unverified story that may or may not be true (and they reported it that way)
but is in the news.


"Tony Stewart Arrested" was a member mis-titling the thread.  

US training ISIS was reported by 3 major news outlets.  All 3 couldn't be that irresponsible.  Unless they all have no "integrity".


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"Tony Stewart Arrested" was a member mis-titling the thread.  

US training ISIS was reported by 3 major news outlets.  All 3 couldn't be that irresponsible.  Unless they all have no "integrity".


I'm pretty sure ALL news outlets lost their "integrity" a long time ago, when the bottom line became more important than actual reporting. I blame Curt Flood.


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This country owes EVERY vet since Nam an apology for sending these young wo/men into wars that had/have no 'victory plan'!
This country led them to a slaughter for NOTHING!!! imho
and yet these young wo/men continue to sign up!!!


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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Quoted from CICERO


"Tony Stewart Arrested" was a member mis-titling the thread.  

US training ISIS was reported by 3 major news outlets.  All 3 couldn't be that irresponsible.  Unless they all have no "integrity".


Wow Cicero. I think it's you that needs to go back and reread what you linked....No place does it say that we trained ISIS fighters.

You have no idea who the players are and you're making yourself look stupid.

So let's clear this up.....

It's pretty complicated since there are ALOT of different groups with alliances shifting everyday between them, but it boils down to three major factions battling for control of Syria.

Islamic State[IS] (formally ISIS,ISIL) who are truly barbarians and an evil not seen in generations. These guys are so bad that the Al-Nusra Front[JAN/ANF] and Al Qaeda kicked them out and are even currently fighting them.

Free Syria Army[FSA] are the guys that started this all back in the 'Arab Spring'. They want a more secular and democratically elected gov. Most defections from Assad's army went here.

Assad's Syrian Arab Army[SAA] and the paramilitary National Defense Force.

We didn't train IS....We trained the FSA.













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Wow Cicero. I think it's you that needs to go back and reread what you linked....No place does it say that we trained ISIS fighters.

You have no idea who the players are and you're making yourself look stupid.

So let's clear this up.....

It's pretty complicated since there are ALOT of different groups with alliances shifting everyday between them, but it boils down to three major factions battling for control of Syria.

Islamic State[IS] (formally ISIS,ISIL) who are truly barbarians and an evil not seen in generations. These guys are so bad that the Al-Nusra Front[JAN/ANF] and Al Qaeda kicked them out and are even currently fighting them.

Free Syria Army[FSA] are the guys that started this all back in the 'Arab Spring'. They want a more secular and democratically elected gov. Most defections from Assad's army went here.

Assad's Syrian Arab Army[SAA] and the paramilitary National Defense Force.

We didn't train IS....We trained the FSA.



Sure...I follow all that...You forget to mention that ISIS is now made up of FSA DEFECTORS.  BTW...The USG denies training the FSA too.

So, if you want to split hairs, you can say the U.S. had not intended to train ISIS, but by the U.S. intervention(though US denies it), the unintended consequence is, they trained and equipped many of the fighters that are fighting for ISIS right now.  

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Leading Syrian rebels defect, dealing blow to fight against al-Qaeda


Two leaders of new Islamic front and one from Free Syrian Army's Supreme Military Council, announce their defection, deal blow to fight against extremists in Syria

Britain and its allies have suffered a new setback in their attempts to forge a pro-western military alliance to fight both President Bashar al-Assad of Syria and al-Qaeda with the defection of three leading rebels.

Two of the men, Ahmed Issa al-Sheikh and Zahran Alloush, are leaders of the new Islamic Front, a group representing non-al-Qaeda Islamist factions including hardliners who want a strict Sharia state. They published a document saying they were no longer part of the Free Syrian Army's Supreme Military Council, the military wing of the western-backed Syrian National Coalition.

The third was the north-eastern commander of the SMC, Saddam al-Jamal.  The most extreme al-Qaeda faction, Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), published an interview with him in which he said he was defecting out of disgust with the SMC's dealings with Saudi, Qatari and western intelligence agencies.

He gave details of his colleagues' meetings with foreign "agents", including from Britain, saying he realised only too late he was part of a "project" that would eventually be used against fellow Muslims.


FSA LEADER DEFECTS TO ISIS/ISIL


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So, let me see if I have this right...

You equate a few defectors that went to the IS to the U.S. directly training and equipping IS fighters.

What the hell is wrong with you?




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Well, Obama's inactions have led up to the rise of the IS being a power.

If only he followed through with bombing Assad after he drew the 'red line' with the chemical weapons and backed the FSA, it would be the FSA v. IS.

But instead, Obama abandons them, just like Libya, Egypt, Iraq and #bringbackourgirls (how is that working out?...Only nearly a thousand more kidnapped)....It's all about golf.

So, what's going on? Looks like the FSA is about to be killed off. So that leaves Assad and the IS.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/15/opinion/syria-aleppo-isis-threat/index.html

THANKS OBAMA!




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GWB even though he could be said to be responsible for the event." --- Box A Rox '9/11 Truther'

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