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Did Obama know that this would happen? NOPE.
Did G Worst Bush know that there were no WMD's???
YUP


Selective revisionist loyalty.

You are truly ignorant if you believe neither new that more government guns would not cause massive death and destruction.

You have no problem recognizing it in the man you don't like, but are blinded by loyalty from the truth.

You have personal experience that tells you that more guns equals more death and destruction.

That is why you fight to take guns away from Americans.

Your loyalty to Obama blinds you to the fact that more US government guns,
as well as more US government distributed guns, have caused:

1. "More death and destruction seen all around the world.

2. "More terror."

3. "The creation of "more" terrorists.

4. "More" hatred of America.

5. "More" fear induced hysteria in the American people.

6. "More" fear induced hysteria in the entire world.

7. "More" drug war violence.

8. "More" violent treatment of Americans by police.

And your stance is that the American people should not be well armed and secure in their own lives,

but simply let the US government guns fix their lives and the entire world.

More Guns.

More Homeland Security.

More laws.

More prisons.

More police.

More democracy building murder and mayhem.

Brought to you by US government guns.

Repeating past behavior expecting a different outcome is brilliant Bush/Obama strategy.

It's a simple formula.

More government guns equals 1-8 above.




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So since Obama has PROPOSED "FREEDOM", he is the FREEDOM PRESIDENT!
Since Obama has PROPOSED "LIBERTY", he is the LIBERTY PRESIDENT!
And, since Obama has PROPOSED "PEACE", OBAMA IS THE PEACE PRESIDENT!

Thank you for that clarification!  


Obama is the enemy of peace, liberty and freedom.

The only freedom he supports is the freedom to use and distribute guns, death and violence as his problem solving tools.


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Do these sources work for me????
Um, no.  
Again... The SOURCE carried by Reuters is
The German weekly Der Spiegel (Not Reuters)
The text of that story:
"The reports could not be independently verified".

The Guardian Text:
~ "say sources"
~ "Jordanian security sources say"
~ "According to European and Jordanian sources "
~ "A Jordanian source familiar with the training operations said:"
~ "Officials in Brussels say"
~ "Jordanian sources said"
~ "said a Jordanian source "

The story may or may not turn out to be true... But your SOURCE doesn't offer anything more
than conjecture.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Do these sources work for me????
Um, no.  
Again... The SOURCE carried by Reuters is
The German weekly Der Spiegel (Not Reuters)
The text of that story:
"The reports could not be independently verified".

The Guardian Text:
~ "say sources"
~ "Jordanian security sources say"
~ "According to European and Jordanian sources "
~ "A Jordanian source familiar with the training operations said:"
~ "Officials in Brussels say"
~ "Jordanian sources said"
~ "said a Jordanian source "

The story may or may not turn out to be true... But your SOURCE doesn't offer anything more
than conjecture.


Oh, so you don't believe unnamed sources now?  Good!  I can agree with that.  I'll be sure to discredit all articles from what most consider "reputable news outlets", when you post something using unnamed sources.

The more I think about it, you're probably right.  A rag tag bunch of "terrorists", a branch of Al Qaeda(or the JV, as Obama was quoted in reference to them) were able to pretty much topple a government propped up by the US and overrun the Iraqi military that was trained and armed by the US.  And now, they have  MORE US weapons.  

ISIS, rolling into Iraq with a convoy of Toyota trucks.  Never seen them coming!


More ISIS Toyota's


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Oh, so you don't believe unnamed sources now?  Good!  I can agree with that.  I'll be sure to discredit all articles from what most consider "reputable news outlets", when you post something using unnamed sources.


A "reputable news source, like Reuters, didn't back the story, they just reported what "OTHERS" have
said about a subject.  
If Reuters originated the story, they would need multiple verifiable sources... not "some guy standing on a
corner in Syria".

Again, the story may or may not be true.  Your "SOURCE" is a guy standing on a corner in Syria.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Again, the story may or may not be true.  Your "SOURCE" is a guy standing on a corner in Syria.


My source is The Guardian, Der Speigel, via Reuters.  They made the decision to print the story.  They were comfortable enough with their unnamed source to run the story.  


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My source is Reuters.  They made the decision to print the story.  They were comfortable enough with their unnamed source to run the story.  


They can post what ever they like... but just as many "reliable" news outlets posted early stories
of the Tony Stewart race accident, they only reported it as "sources on the scene said," rather than
a verifiable story backed by that news outlet.

The difference between the two?
One is "here is a story that we heard"... (hearsay)
compared to...
This story is fact as near as we can determine...  (Verifiable information)


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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ISIS fighters WERE NOT trained by the U.S., I don't know where the hell you got that from.


Why does this surprise you Buck, its not the 1st time we armed and funded people to overthrow governments and stage coups. We armed the Taliban, we armed Saddam, we armed Mexican cartels and south American guerilla groups, we are arming unknown militia fighter as we speak, the list is almost never ending.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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They can post what ever they like... but just as many "reliable" news outlets posted early stories
of the Tony Stewart race accident, they only reported it as "sources on the scene said," rather than
a verifiable story backed by that news outlet.

The difference between the two?
One is "here is a story that we heard"... (hearsay)
compared to...
This story is fact as near as we can determine...  (Verifiable information)


So when does it become "verifiable" - when the governments conducting the training admit to it?  Or when the journalist is taken to the training facilities to witness it themselves?





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So when does it become "verifiable" - when the governments conducting the training admit to it?  Or when the journalist is taken to the training facilities to witness it themselves?


I'm often surprised at Cicero's naivety in matters of how the world works.

"JOURNALISTS" vary a great deal in their integrity, ability and skills.  Bumbler for example, will take
the word of a blogger to be equal to that of a NY Times or BBC reporter.  He believes what he wants
and discounts the rest.

If Cissy wants to know what "verifiable journalism" he can read a description here:
"Journalism as a discipline of verification"
http://www.americanpressinstit.....ipline-verification/

Or here:
"Check It Out: Verifying Information and Sources in News Coverage"
The Learning Network
http://learning.blogs.nytimes......es-in-news-coverage/


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I'm often surprised at Cicero's naivety in matters of how the world works.

"JOURNALISTS" vary a great deal in their integrity, ability and skills.  Bumbler for example, will take
the word of a blogger to be equal to that of a NY Times or BBC reporter.  He believes what he wants
and discounts the rest.


So, The Guardian, Der Spiegel, and Reuters have journalists with no integrity, ability, or skills.  OK, got it.  If you have the time, could you list the other news outlets that I must not read?  I notice you listed the British state run BBC as a reliable source to honestly report state secrets like a covert operation to train Islamic Militants.  I'll be sure to watch state run news to report state secrets.


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So, The Guardian, Der Spiegel, and Reuters have journalists with no integrity, ability, or skills.  OK, got it..


So it's back to your old straw man meme... Yawn.  


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So it's back to your old straw man meme... Yawn.  


Well, if figured it was a good response to your red herring.  You went on some bizare tangent about journalistic integrity.

Just say it...those that report information that make Obama look bad MUST be discredited.  If Bush was the President instead of Obama...The Guardian, Reuters, and Der Spiegel would be the most reputable news sources on the planet.


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Well, if figured it was a good response to your red herring.  You went on some bizare tangent about journalistic integrity.

Just say it...those that report information that make Obama look bad MUST be discredited.  If Bush was the President instead of Obama...The Guardian, Reuters, and Der Spiegel would be the most reputable news sources on the planet.


Re-read my post... you got it wrong yet again.

I didn't 'discredit The Guardian or Reuters.  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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