Quoted from joebxr

So you have factual information that they are closing because the DEMS won't help them,
and that it's not for any other reason?  I'd be interested to see that factual info!

We know that the city/co/plex dems have given millions out to millionaires,   Mallozzi is a millionaire family and it is FACT that Civitello's, because it does NOT get ONE PENNY in tax exemptions NOT ONE PENNY IN TAX EXEMPTIONS





But the VERY WELL HEELED MIILLIONAIRE Mallozzi family gets what?????    A brand spanking lavish new building at taxpayer expense AND is 100% EXEMPT from city, county, and school taxes AND 100% EXEMPT from all those other taxes or fees that downtown businesses have to pay.





EVIDENCE they want to expand.




Mallozzi was going to move out of the county, they had a small location, they probably wanted to expand.   Mallozzi are millionaires.  Mallozzi's are loaded with money, can give lots in political contributions.   City/co/plex comes in and dangles millions in taxpayer dollars to stay, to build them a new building at taxpayer expense, and exempt them from all those taxes.

Civitello's was looking to move out of the county, they had a small location, they are actually quoted as saying they wanted do expand.   This pair of women are NOT millionaires, they have no money for lavish political contributions.  City/co/plex dems don't do a dang thing for them, NOT ONE PENNY.  More than enough buildings in the city in high profile locations but no offer whatsoever from city/co/plex dems to help them expand and have a higher profile location.



A modest income business--Civitello's--wants to expand AND have a higher profile location THEIR VERY OWN WORDS,   Buying property in Schenectady is a 100% GUARANTEE of loss of money as property values are falling.  Owning a property in Schenectady means paying your own taxes PLUS the taxes of the politically connected millionaires.   Being of modest means AND owning an Italian bakery in Schenectady GUARANTEES you WILL pay the city, county, and school taxes of your competition owned by millionaires.   Buying a property in which to expand to a higher profile location in Schenectady when done with your own money is a GUARANTEE of loss of money because property values are going down AND you are paying the highest taxes in the region, almost in the state.

Women are NOT quoted as saying they want to retire.  

They are asking way over market value for the property which intelligent people will read between the lines that they don't really want to sell, but getting that price will allow them to buy something bigger in Saratoga or Clifton Park (doubtful they could buy a big place up there for the market value of their current building (under $100,000).   If they got that price, they could buy a property in either of those two communities, they would make more money, they would see a return on their property investment, AND pay lower taxes.


Personally I think they like Schenectady, they probably like their neighbors and their customers, and it would hard to leave after 80 years and three generations.  So my guess is they don't really want to leave.  Maybe they are trying to see if city/co/plex will do something for them to help them expand as they are quote as saying they want to do.  But at this point, because they there is to closing date set on the sale of the property, they really can't say anything, not like Rudnicks did.  Rudnicks already had the signs up with no turning back when they verbally said that not the city, not the county, not plex would help them; they had nothing to lose.  But the women know IF someone comes along with that sale price, they will have the money to expand.

Actually they should probably stop paying their taxes!  Become tax deadbeats!!    

Look at the scum pair of Alsdorf and Todd who bought the Foster building, then willfully and deliberately did not turn the heat on causing a million in damage, they totally neglected the building, and the city/co/plex dems caved in to the scum and  lavished a quarter of a million dollars  on them rather than taking the place by eminent domain.    Then on top of that, the scum were tax deadbeats and the dems chose to absolve them of all responsibility to pay their taxes.   Plex NEVER withheld one penny from them on the back taxes they owed on the Foster building nor on any of the rest of the buildings they owned in the city that they were tax dead beats.


And then the city/co/plex builds Marcella's a lavish new building at taxpayer expense, exempts the property from paying city taxes, school taxes, county taxes, and all the other downtown special taxes/fees.   And in return for all the taxpayer handouts, Marcella has the nerve to swindle the taxpayers of the city by becoming a TAX DEADBEAT of his other properties !!!!!!

STATE DEM snubs Civitello's

Cuomo's running mate patronizes the millionaire taxpayer-funded bakery that is causing the city's tax base to fall and the taxes on the financially struggling homeowners to rise

Quoted from joebxr

You simply don't get it!

You have never gotten it!

You obviously never will get it!

You don't answer questions!

You don't discuss issues!

You never will...but you DEMAND others do what you simply DO NOT DO!

I provided you the EVIDENCE that Civitelllo's does NOT get tax exemptions.
I provided you the EVIDENCE that their millionaire competition is 100% exempt from taxes.
I provided you the EVIDENCER Civitello's wanted to expand and be at a more higher profile location.
There are more than enough locations within the city of Schenectady that are bigger AND higher profile.  But the EVIDENCE proves that buying anything IN Schenectady is a GUARANTEE of losing money because property values are falling and taxes are rising.

Quoted from mikechristine1

I provided you the EVIDENCE that Civitelllo's does NOT get tax exemptions.
I provided you the EVIDENCE that their millionaire competition is 100% exempt from taxes.
I provided you the EVIDENCER Civitello's wanted to expand and be at a more higher profile location.
There are more than enough locations within the city of Schenectady that are bigger AND higher profile.  But the EVIDENCE proves that buying anything IN Schenectady is a GUARANTEE of losing money because property values are falling and taxes are rising.

Since you refuse to go back to the top and read, I'll help and start with this one:

Quoted Text

Sadly another LONG TIME TAXPAYING business is going to close because the city DEMS do not help these businesses.

You have no proof that they considered moving, closing, selling or retiring because they were not offered, requested or need
help from the political machine.

Just because you say it's so doesn't make it so, and in this case you have boasted a huge assumption
on your part that is unsubstantiated still and you refuse to acknowledge that. Instead you continue to post your babbling rants about
millionaires and Metroplex.

So show PROOF and FACTS that Civitello's is considering moving, selling, closing, retiring because of
the city DEMS !

Quoted from joebxr

Since you refuse to go back to the top and read, I'll help and start with this one:

You have no proof that they considered moving, closing, selling or retiring because they were not offered, requested or need
help from the political machine.

Just because you say it's so doesn't make it so, and in this case you have boasted a huge assumption
on your part that is unsubstantiated still and you refuse to acknowledge that. Instead you continue to post your babbling rants about
millionaires and Metroplex.

So show PROOF and FACTS that Civitello's is considering moving, selling, closing, retiring because of
the city DEMS !

You obviously cannot do math Joe.   You obviously have no knowledge of business do you.   You obviously do not pay taxes, you obviously do not own a property that is falling in value in the city.  You obviously do not understand that Civiltello's is losing money via falling property values and increasing taxes.  

They wanted to expand and have a place of higher profile, there is plenty of places for that IN the city.   If you had any business sense and common sense, you would know that virtually no one is going to buy a property to lose money.  

Unsuspecting homeowners that are swindled by the mayor's HOMES program to believe it's less expensive to live in the city may by a property.

But the owners of Civiltello's have business sense and are quoted THEIR OWN WORDS JOE!   They are quoted wanting to expand higher profile location.   They have good business sense to know that buying a property in the city GUARANTEES a loss of money just because of massively falling property values.   Or are you a person who thinks it's proper to buy a property to be underwater on a mortgage within a year's time?

This business has seen what the city has done for their rich political cronies.   Would YOU be happy with paying the taxes of your competition?  

Obviously you cannot read an assessment roll, you cannot read the English language where the women said hey wanted to leave the city in order to expand and have a higher profile location.   obviously you don't see all the bigger buildings and high profile locations here in the city for them, but plex is not offering them anything.  

Do you really think that Civitello's is going to utter one word that they are trying to sell because plex is not helping them but has lavished their competition on Civitello's tax dollars IF Civitello's was hoping that plex might offer them something?  

They know what they are doing Joe.   They are keeping quiet.  They have good business sense and they are NOT going to come out in the news saying that Metroplex is not giving them anything while it did lavish their competition.  They CANNOT say anything critical of the city or plex IF they EVER would hope that the city or plex might offer them something.  But you don't have the brains t realize that.

I manage $150M worth of supplier purchases/negotiations annually for the multi-billion dollar Fortune 500
corporation I work for...can you say the same????
Obviously my business knowledge far surpasses yours leaps and bounds. Any business venture of yours
is bound to fail, based on what you have provided to date.  

Again, you continue to rant with babbling bull$hit.
You said the DEMS are driving them, and again you provide NO PROOF!

MATH?  Your math proves ZIP, NADA, nothing to substantiate your boastful claim.

High profile location...the areas they indicated are high profile because of increases in residents
new housing, businesses, future growth, etc. Guess your lemonade stand business needs to move there
if you want to succeed.

Here's the question once again...,maybe it's too complicated for you to understand:
So show PROOF and FACTS that Civitello's is considering moving, selling, closing, retiring because of
the city DEMS !

You demand proof from DVOR constantly with your stalking thread bombs...but you are immune.  HYPOCRITE!

Quoted from joebxr

I manage $150M worth of supplier purchases/negotiations annually for the multi-billion dollar Fortune 500
corporation I work for...can you say the same????
Obviously my business knowledge far surpasses yours leaps and bounds. Any business venture of yours
is bound to fail, based on what you have provided to date.  

Again, you continue to rant with babbling bull$hit.
You said the DEMS are driving them, and again you provide NO PROOF!

MATH?  Your math proves ZIP, NADA, nothing to substantiate your boastful claim.

High profile location...the areas they indicated are high profile because of increases in residents
new housing, businesses, future growth, etc. Guess your lemonade stand business needs to move there
if you want to succeed.

Here's the question once again...,maybe it's too complicated for you to understand:
So show PROOF and FACTS that Civitello's is considering moving, selling, closing, retiring because of
the city DEMS !

You demand proof from DVOR constantly with your stalking thread bombs...but you are immune.  HYPOCRITE!

For a fortune 500 co. so you claim.

But that is NOT the same as a little mom and pop business anyway.


Again, NO ONE with any good mind in business will EVER criticize the government and state that they are moving because they are not getting any help (like their millionaire competition) if they want some help and hope to stay in the city.  

Coming out in the news and stating they are moving BECAUSE the city and plex have not helped them would kill ANY possibility of EVER getting anything.    But you don't have a brain to know that.

I have provided EVIDENCE of the FACT that they
1.  Want to expand
2.  Want a higher profile location
3.   Stated they were looking at Saratoga and Clifton Park
4.  That they get ABSOUTELY NO TAX EXEMPTIONS.
5.  That their competition is 100% exempt from paying city taxes, county taxes, and school taxes which means, Joe, that Civitello's pays higher taxes in order to cover the tax bill of their competition, their competition which are well heeled millionaires!

But again,. YOU CANNOT READ their quote and obviously you are too ignorant to read an assessment roll.  You and DV make a good pair.

Quoted Text

Again, NO ONE with any good mind in business will EVER criticize the government and state that they are moving
because they are not getting any help (like their millionaire competition) if they want some help and hope to stay in the city.  

Only MC1 will make this claim and not provide support to prove it!

You are the ignorant idiot that cannot read and answer a question:

Here's the question once again (for the hundredth time)...,maybe it's too complicated for you to understand:
So show PROOF and FACTS that Civitello's is considering moving, selling, closing, retiring
because of the city DEMS as you have claimed ! Tax rolls and all
the other gibberish you continue to cut and paste DOES NOT PROVE IT!!!!

Quoted from Alva White

I have to agree.

And as my side note, I retired at 52. I am by no means wealthy, and did not have millions saved. I have learned that living modestly works for me. I am quite happy and content with my life, 15 years after making the decision to leave the work force.

I think far too often we pigeonhole ideas as to what is the "ideal" life.

Must be one of those cop or fire dept workers who padded their pension and will get guaranteed raises for life AND then an option where a survivor can get a good chunk of the deceased's pension for the rest of their life.  Retiring at 52, you cannot even tap into retirement savings.  

One can be content with $30,000 a year today, but you don't think that you can live on $30,000 a year when you are 90 years old.  An income of $30,000 at age 52, the math is that you need $1,2 million saved in order to have a $30,000 income 40 years from now.  No way even a single individual will be able to live on $30,000 in 40 years.

Quoted from joebxr

...from what I can tell, and from what others that know that family have said, they are staying open and staying
in current location, unless they can sell the building.  

Oh, and can you produce some EVIDENCE to that.   Who are the "others" that allegedly know the family.

Sounds like the "friend of a friend says," the classic indicator of an urban legend.

Quoted from mikechristine1

Oh, and can you produce some EVIDENCE to that.   Who are the "others" that allegedly know the family.

Sounds like the "friend of a friend says," the classic indicator of an urban legend.

Urban legend.....eeewwwww!  Good one.  Did you bother to read the next comment I made:

Quoted from joebxr

I should have added that it is just word of mouth...hopefully accurate, but
I can't confirm.

Urban legend like reporting that someone is arrested 'cuz someone in the stands said it?
That's real responsible information!!!! You are transparent fabricator of useless information.
NAH, you can't be bothered. See, I put a disclaimer so that no one would think it was
FACTUAL, like the babbling bull$hit you post.  

So what about your supporting link to your fabricated, claim??????? Still can't prove it!
Show PROOF and FACTS that Civitello's is considering moving, selling, closing, retiring
because of the city DEMS as you have claimed ! Tax rolls and all
the other gibberish you continue to cut and paste DOES NOT PROVE IT!!!! ASSUMPTIONS and CONJECTURE
ARE NOT FACTS!!!! How about it Cut-n-paste Business WIZ!!!

Quoted from mikechristine1

Must be one of those cop or fire dept workers who padded their pension and will get guaranteed raises for life AND then an option where a survivor can get a good chunk of the deceased's pension for the rest of their life.  Retiring at 52, you cannot even tap into retirement savings.  

One can be content with $30,000 a year today, but you don't think that you can live on $30,000 a year when you are 90 years old.  An income of $30,000 at age 52, the math is that you need $1,2 million saved in order to have a $30,000 income 40 years from now.  No way even a single individual will be able to live on $30,000 in 40 years.

Mike, Mike, Mike, there you go assuming things again. Maybe I wasn't clear enough when I typed my post, so I'll see if I can be a little clearer.

This really has to do with choices (at least in my case), lifestyle choices really. Not everyone desires the same things in life. You may feel you NEED to own a house, and gosh , two TV's just won't do, because don't the kids each need one in their rooms. And we really do NEED to have two cars  and, well hope you get my point there.

I used to feel the same way. But as I grew older I realized that for me that wasn't what I was looking for in life. So I sold my house, I sold my boat, I sold my extra truck, I had a garage sale and sold ALL my possesions. I put that money in the bank along with my savings I was able to live comfortably. When I was of age, I began collecting Social Security. It pays the majority of my bills. I don't have Cable TV, a landline telephone, credit cards, loans. I buy cell phone minutes as I need them. I put gas in my car once a month. I drive less than 3,000 miles a year. I spend between $30 and $40 a week on food. I have a small garden near my apartment, which provides me with fresh produce year round (I freeze and can some), if I have extra I use it for barter. I barter my technology  knowledge. I own very few things. I don't need them. My computer is my one extravagance, but it also provides me with a means for barter. I have a few sticks of furniture and that's enough. I don't need an entertainment budget, because at this time of year there are more free events than on could possibly attend. I read, alot.

And that's how I was able to retire at age 52.

I am incredibly happy. Much more so than when I participated in the "rat race". I don't claim this to be a lifestyle for everyone. Nor do I claim unequivocally that one needs a minimum of $30,000 per year, or as you claimed earlier "millions" to live. Nope, but my point is YOU assume too many things methinks, and than rant based on those assumptions.

And by the way when you present some of your "findings" I do find them informative. "And then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid....." Frank and Nancy Sinatra

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