The wife of an obviously STUPID CITY EMPLOYEE embezzles hundreds of thousands of dollars and we should believe that hubby (city employee) did not know anything about it ? ? ? ? ?

It takes three years for the business to figure it out !!!!!!!!   No wonder Marcella's probably could not survive without being on the taxpayers' dole courtesy of the city dems who steal from the homeowners and force them to pay the property taxes of Marcellas.

The taxpayers should demand a refund of all the money they paid.

And of course, the lavish pay bestowed by the city dems upon her husband, in excess of $91,000 a year means the financially struggling homeowners in the city will be paying the high cost of E Stewart Jones, not to mention the court costs.

Quoted from mikechristine1

No wonder Marcella's probably could not survive without being on the taxpayers' dole courtesy of the city dems who steal from the homeowners and force them to pay the property taxes of Marcellas.

The truth is........Marcella's would survive quite well even if they didnt get tax breaks. That is the shame here.....they canwell afford it. But as soon as Marcella's said they were moving out of Schenectady....in came METROPLEX/GILLEN with their bat mobile and gave them the farm....so to say!
But don't fool yourself....Marcella's does QUITE well!!!

The statement that Marcella's does not pay taxes is an ABSOLUTE LIE.

Property Taxes or "payment in lieu of taxes":
"Marcella’s at 564 Broadway in downtown Schenectady. 16,750 square foot facility built on vacant land $62,954 up from $56,593 last year."

Then add the sales tax revenue generated from the business and income tax revenue generated from the business.

It is obvious that the person who started this thread is a pathological liar and a terrorist of the worst form -- hellbent on tearing down all that is good in our community.

Quoted from mikechristine1

The wife of an obviously STUPID CITY EMPLOYEE embezzles hundreds of thousands of dollars and we should believe that hubby (city employee) did not know anything about it ? ? ? ? ?

It takes three years for the business to figure it out !!!!!!!!   No wonder Marcella's probably could not survive without being on the taxpayers' dole courtesy of the city dems who steal from the homeowners and force them to pay the property taxes of Marcellas.

The taxpayers should demand a refund of all the money they paid.

And of course, the lavish pay bestowed by the city dems upon her husband, in excess of $91,000 a year means the financially struggling homeowners in the city will be paying the high cost of E Stewart Jones, not to mention the court costs.

Your analogy is stupid and very wrong...do not make claims that are not real.
Marcellas has nothing to do with it. Your obsession with Marcellas and Villa Italia
really is annoying since you constantly make false claims about them....
almost like the ignorant rants from DVOR...thought you were better than that!

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

a terrorist of the worst form -- hellbent on tearing down all that is good in our community.

you must be referring to metroplex?

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

The statement that Marcella's does not pay taxes is an ABSOLUTE LIE.

Property Taxes or "payment in lieu of taxes":
"Marcella’s at 564 Broadway in downtown Schenectady. 16,750 square foot facility built on vacant land $62,954 up from $56,593 last year."

Then add the sales tax revenue generated from the business and income tax revenue generated from the business.

It is obvious that the person who started this thread is a pathological liar and a terrorist of the worst form -- hellbent on tearing down all that is good in our community.

There goes DV again, COPY AND PASTING from the LIES and PROPAGANDA of those who get kickbacks from their rich political cronies.


And it is a FACT that Marcella's got tons of money from the taxpayers and does NOT pay it's FULL SHARE of property taxes thus causing financially struggling homeowners to pay higher taxes than they should.


You see, DV, since you are not and have NEVER owned a home and been a taxpayer (nor have your parents), you have no understanding whatsoever that tax BILLS on homeowners rise when the rich are exempt from paying taxes or when the rich do not have to pay their FULL tax bill.


Now, tell us DV, what has become of the tax base IN the city?????

What has happened to property values IN the city?????

What has happened to the tax BILLS  of homeowners IN the city?????

What has happened to home sale prices IN the city?????

What has happened to numbers of home sales IN the city?????

What has happened to number of homes put up for sale IN the city?????

What has happened to the number of tax foreclosures IN the city?????

What has happened to the number of abandoned homes IN the city?????

What has happened to the number of boarded up homes IN the city?????

What has happened to the tax BILLS of homeowners IN the city?????


And DV, why do you REFUSE to even put your pinky toe IN the city????

And DV, why do you REFUSE to live (rent OR own) IN the city????   Really, can you answer that one???????   Come on DV, just tell us why you REFUSE to live IN the city

Quoted from joebxr

Your analogy is stupid and very wrong...do not make claims that are not real.
Marcellas has nothing to do with it. Your obsession with Marcellas and Villa Italia
really is annoying since you constantly make false claims about them....
almost like the ignorant rants from DVOR...thought you were better than that!

I don't really have a problem with the business.   The owners however are NOT paying their FULL share of taxes thus causing homeowners to pay more.

The owners of these two businesses moved their existing business at taxpayer expense AND got their new buildings built largely at taxpayer expense.

Homeowners in the city are getting cited for often minor code violations but cannot afford to make repairs to their own homes because they are paying for the buildings for Marcella, Villa Italia, and the other downtown buildings.

And the onwers of these tow budinesses, where do they live IN he city??????   Do they live among the blight and abandoned houses IN the city?   Do they send their children to Schenectady city schools?


The question NEEDS to be asked and it NEEDS an answer.  Why must families with incomes of under $40,000 (most of the city) pay the taxes of millionaires??????   Mallozzi can MORE THAN AFFORD to pay their FULL taxes on their building AND they could have afforded to pay for their building totally at their own expense without a penny of taxpayer money, in fact, they have the financial ability to build a Villa Italia bakery in EACH town within Schenectady county totally at their own expense and stil be rich.

Quoted from mikechristine1

The question NEEDS to be asked and it NEEDS an answer.  Why must families with incomes of under $40,000 (most of the city) pay the taxes of millionaires??????   Mallozzi can MORE THAN AFFORD to pay their FULL taxes on their building AND they could have afforded to pay for their building totally at their own expense without a penny of taxpayer money, in fact, they have the financial ability to build a Villa Italia bakery in EACH town within Schenectady county totally at their own expense and stil be rich.

The argument is, businesses won't do business in Schenectady without tax breaks, grants, and low interest loan.  Yet, that same logic doesn't apply to residential property.  Residential property owners are paying $6-7 grand on a $110k 75 year old house, and has no money left for maintenance and upkeep, while downtown commercial property is swimming in cash in the name of facade grants, PILOTS, and low interest loans.  The naked theft and redistribution from the poor to the rich is obviously criminal.  Except for those that do not live in the city, but drive in to see a show and eat a burrito, then return to the burbs.

Quoted from CICERO

The argument is, businesses won't do business in Schenectady without tax breaks, grants, and low interest loan.  Yet, that same logic doesn't apply to residential property.  Residential property owners are paying $6-7 grand on a $110k 75 year old house, and has no money left for maintenance and upkeep, while downtown commercial property is swimming in cash in the name of facade grants, PILOTS, and low interest loans.  The naked theft and redistribution from the poor to the rich is obviously criminal.  Except for those that do not live in the city, but drive in to see a show and eat a burrito, then return to the burbs.

So true.   And this is EXACTLY what DV REFUSS to engage in discussion about!!!!!!!!


However, I will say you are wrong about one point.  The residential property owners is paying $6-7 grand on a house "assessed" for $110k but actually worth only about $60K !!!!!

Remember, under the city dem leadership, home values are in massive free fall as PROVEN by the EVIDENCE of home sale prices of perhaps $50,000 to $60,000 for a house assessed for $110,000 and more!

Quoted from mikechristine1

I don't really have a problem with the business.   The owners however are NOT paying their FULL share of taxes thus causing homeowners to pay more.

The owners of these two businesses moved their existing business at taxpayer expense AND got their new buildings built largely at taxpayer expense.

Homeowners in the city are getting cited for often minor code violations but cannot afford to make repairs to their own homes because they are paying for the buildings for Marcella, Villa Italia, and the other downtown buildings.

And the onwers of these tow budinesses, where do they live IN he city??????   Do they live among the blight and abandoned houses IN the city?   Do they send their children to Schenectady city schools?


The question NEEDS to be asked and it NEEDS an answer.  Why must families with incomes of under $40,000 (most of the city) pay the taxes of millionaires??????   Mallozzi can MORE THAN AFFORD to pay their FULL taxes on their building AND they could have afforded to pay for their building totally at their own expense without a penny of taxpayer money, in fact, they have the financial ability to build a Villa Italia bakery in EACH town within Schenectady county totally at their own expense and stil be rich.

SO should those 2 businesses left the county for greener pastures?  They were both looking to move "OUT OF SCHDY".  Metroplex is phucked up, but they did save those businesses for SCHDY. As for fair share, both businesses pay what they are assessed, if you agree with it or not. Get your facts straight and stop playing DVOR games. Saving the businesses provided taxes that would not have otherwise been realized! I know both families and the stories behind moving, so I've given you the short story, and they are FACTS! Unless a businessman is STUPID, they would not turn down assistance like these have been given.

Sorry, I just hate you are targeting the businesses, when it's METROPLEX that is the culprit, in how they do business and the underhanded ways that some money is being distributed without a ROI and no penalties...lot of nepotism type transactions.

Quoted from joebxr

SO should those 2 businesses left the county for greener pastures?  

Yes, who cares if they leave for "greener pastures".  Residents in Schenectady are putting their homes up for sale, or simply walking away from them, and going to greener pastures.  Let me guess?  You don't personally know anybody that is TRYING to sell their homes in the city because taxes are too high, schools suck, and the value of their property is sinking like a rock?  I'm sure they would have stayed if they received a tax exemption or facade grant to maintain their house.   But...like in all government subsidies, you have to pay to play, and the residential homeowner ain't got the money to lobby the scumbag politicians.

I'd like to see the ROI of metroplex new commercial property tax revenue minus the loss of residential tax revenue over the same period of time, due people abandoning their property.

If Villa Italia pays $25k in taxes, that only takes 3 to 4 residential property's falling off the tax roll to make it a wash.

Quoted from joebxr

SO should those 2 businesses left the county for greener pastures?  They were both looking to move "OUT OF SCHDY".  Metroplex is phucked up, but they did save those businesses for SCHDY. As for fair share, both businesses pay what they are assessed, if you agree with it or not. Get your facts straight and stop playing DVOR games.

Really   Can you provide the facts that show that they these two businesses pay what they are assessed?


Marcella's.   Assessed for $2,275,300


Where do you see that they pay taxes on their assessed value?    I see the words "WHOLLY EXEMPT.   On the OFFICIAL FINAL assessment roll I see the taxable amount as ZERO.   OK, this one allegedly ends in 2019, we'll see.








Villa Italia    One property assessed for $815,500 and another property assessed for $18,900.

Where do you see that they pay taxes on their assessed value?   I see the words "WHOLLY EXEMPT."   AND for the "end year" there is NO END to the 100% exemption.   On the OFFICIAL FINAL assessment roll I see the taxable amount as ZERO.  Where do YOU see that they are paying taxes based on assessed value?????








Now, consider the homeowners in the city.  Think of that house on Glenwood Blvd as an example, that has been for sale for like two years and NO ONE wants to by it.   The last asking price was about $105,000.

If that house sold for $100,000, the city would be taxing the homeowner based on the ASSESSMENT value of $182,000 instead of what the house is really worth.  The house is not even worth $105,000 as proven by the FACT that the house has been for sale for two years and NO ONE has even been willing to buy it for $105,000.

But we'll say someone buys it for $100,000, their taxes will be calculated on the full ASSESSMENT value of $182,000, and NOT on the market value.   So the house would be worth $100,000, but the homeowner would pay taxes on an assessed value of $182,000 AND on top of that, factored into the tax BILL is the additional money that is NOT paid by Villa Italia and Marcellas and all the other downtown properties.


Now, explain to me why a millionaire family, Mallozzi, should have their taxes paid by a family making less than $40,000?????


Why should the poor be paying for the taxes for the rich?   Why should the poor lose their homes because of the high taxes?  Mallozzi family can more than afford to have built their own building AND pay full taxes on the FULL assessment value.  


So what if Villa Italia or Marcellas moved out of the city.  Is it better to have abandoned houses throughout the city, lost to tax foreclosure and then the city has to increase taxes, first to cover the lost tax revenue from these foreclosed houses AND second to cover the expense of taking care of these foreclosed properties (shovel sidewalks, mow lawns, etc)?   Not to mention that houses near all the foreclosed properties wind up having the value of their homes fall because of being bordered by vacant properties?

MC1, you are obsessed, so no amount of logical reasoning is going to make a difference.
Your focus is very narrow and unrealistic.  That goes for Cissy WahWah also.
Have a wonderful day guys....just not worth any further effort for me.

Quoted from joebxr

MC1, you are obsessed, so no amount of logical reasoning is going to make a difference.
Your focus is very narrow and unrealistic.  That goes for Cissy WahWah also.
Have a wonderful day guys....just not worth any further effort for me.

What is unrealistic about questioning why homeowners in the city have to pay the taxes of the downtown properties which are owned by the rich?

Is it logical and acceptable to have homeowners struggle financially and lose their homes?

I welcome discussion and perhaps you could explain what the homeowners are getting in return for paying such high taxes?


And there is these facts too   These business owners are millionaires so they CAN more than afford to pay their full taxes.  However IF they were having ANY problems paying their expenses, they COULD increase their income by raising prices or cutting some expenses.  Yes, there is a risk to that.

However, the homeowners in the city the vast majority have total household incomes under $40,000 and are paying $6,000 to $7,000 of their NET pay in taxes - how are they supposed to increase their pay?   Most employers are NOT giving raises so how do they increase their income?  Should they increase their income by taking a second job which nets them $150 a week while at the same time they wind up increasing their expenses because now they have to pay more in child care that perhaps cancels out their part time income?  

And don't forget, most people who have second jobs wind up in a tax quandary because of being in a higher tax bracket.  

Homeowners do not get raises but they have to pay higher health insurance costs, higher gasoline costs, higher food costs, they get penalized financially by the city when they don't keep their homes in tip top shape.  And they don't have the money to keep their homes  in tip top shape because they are paying to build the "palaces" for the millionaires and then pay the property taxes of these buildings owned by millionaires.

Quoted from joebxr

. As for fair share, both businesses pay what they are assessed, if you agree with it or not. Get your facts straight and stop playing DVOR games. Saving the businesses provided taxes that would not have otherwise been realized!

Above I have provided the documentation that the new locations for both businesses on Broadway do NOT pay taxes on what their properties are assessed for.


And below, as far as Marcella's two TAXABLE properties, Joe, I'm sure you can explain this (this is only the school taxes, unfortunately the city does not make the payment of city & county taxes and fees public


Are you willing to discuss?