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Not a surprise  


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JERUSALEM – Members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were trained in 2012 by U.S. instructors working at a secret base in Jordan, according to informed Jordanian officials.



The officials said dozens of ISIS members were trained at the time as part of covert aid to the insurgents targeting the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in Syria. The officials said the training was not meant to be used for any future campaign in Iraq.

The Jordanian officials said all ISIS members who received U.S. training to fight in Syria were first vetted for any links to extremist groups like al-Qaida.

In February 2012, WND was first to report the U.S., Turkey and Jordan were running a training base for the Syrian rebels in the Jordanian town of Safawi in the country’s northern desert region.

That report has since been corroborated by numerous other media accounts.

Last March, the German weekly Der Spiegel reported Americans were training Syrian rebels in Jordan.

Quoting what it said were training participants and organizers, Der Spiegel reported it was not clear whether the Americans worked for private firms or were with the U.S. Army, but the magazine said some organizers wore uniforms. The training in Jordan reportedly focused on use of anti-tank weaponry.

The German magazine reported some 200 men received the training over the previous three months amid U.S. plans to train a total of 1,200 members of the Free Syrian Army in two camps in the south and the east of Jordan.

Britain’s Guardian newspaper also reported last March that U.S. trainers were aiding Syrian rebels in Jordan along with British and French instructors.

Reuters reported a spokesman for the U.S. Defense Department declined immediate comment on the German magazine’s report. The French foreign ministry and Britain’s foreign and defense ministries also would not comment to Reuters.

The Jordanian officials spoke to WND amid concern the sectarian violence in Iraq will spill over into their own country as well as into Syria.

ISIS previously posted a video on YouTube threatening to move on Jordan and “slaughter” King Abdullah, whom they view as an enemy of Islam.

WND reported last week that, according to Jordanian and Syrian regime sources, Saudi Arabia has been arming the ISIS and that the Saudis are a driving force in supporting the al-Qaida-linked group.

WND further reported that, according to a Shiite source in contact with a high official in the government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, the Obama administration has been aware for two months that the al-Qaida-inspired group that has taken over two Iraqi cities and now is threatening Baghdad also was training fighters in Turkey.

The source told WND that at least one of the training camps of the group Iraq of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Syria, the ISIS, is in the vicinity of Incirlik Air Base near Adana, Turkey, where American personnel and equipment are located.

He called Obama “an accomplice” in the attacks that are threatening the Maliki government the U.S. helped establish through the Iraq war.

The source said that after training in Turkey, thousands of ISIS fighters went to Iraq by way of Syria to join the effort to establish an Islamic caliphate subject to strict Islamic law, or Shariah.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/officials-u-s-trained-isis-at-secret-base-in-jordan/#CxwEZZtDpO1K3jit.99


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And in 2011...
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U.S. Troops Are Leaving Because Iraq Doesn't Want Them There
YOCHI J. DREAZENOCT 21 2011, 2:41 PM ET
    
President Obama announced that he had kept a campaign promise by ending the war -- but he didn't have much of a choice

President Obama's speech formally declaring that the last 43,000 U.S. troops will leave Iraq by the end of the year was designed to mask an unpleasant truth: The troops aren't being withdrawn because the U.S. wants them out. They're leaving because the Iraqi government refused to let them stay.


http://m.theatlantic.com/polit.....t-them-there/247174/


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I proved it.  The invasion of Iraq for revenge resulted in the largest embassy in the world and Obama's redeployment of combat troops 11 years later, after he announced the withdraw of combat troops.  It's 11 years after the invasion and the USG is still there.  Why doesn't Obama close the embassy?  The US hasn't had one in Iraq from 1991-2004.  Yeah...A heck of a revenge.  


You proved nothing, squat, zip, nada, except that you twist the world the way you want.
Understandable why you lead such a miserable self centered life.
Can't wait to read how history embellishes that we invaded Iraq because Bush wanted to
build the Embassy palace.


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You proved nothing, squat, zip, nada, except that you twist the world the way you want.
Understandable why you lead such a miserable self centered life.
Can't wait to read how history embellishes that we invaded Iraq because Bush wanted to
build the Embassy palace.


Good try Joey.  The embassy is proof the the invasion was for a long term US presence in Iraq. Not revenge killing


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Good try Joey.  The embassy is proof the the invasion was for a long term US presence in Iraq. Not revenge killing


Good try Wah-Wah...the invasion was based on Bush's revenge with long term occupation a result!


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Good try Wah-Wah...the invasion was based on Bush's revenge with long term occupation a result!


Lol...It's funny you actually believe a president killed American Marines for his personal revenge killing and you aren't in Washington protesting.  Is that part of the oath you took to "defend the constitution"?  Oh yeah, you write strongly worded letters to politicians.  That's "doing something about it".

It amazes me that you sit calmly and present this theory knowing thousands of marines died for one president and not a national security interest.


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Yup! That's what it was. It was a personal agenda to kill Saddam.....And how did he do it?

He laid out an extravagant plan of deception that was so well done, it fooled every single intelligence agency IN THE WORLD.

While this trip down memory lane is....Well....Boring and beat to death....How about we come back to 2014.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/crude-oil-pushes-toward-107-after-iraq-refinery-attacked-2014-06-18

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Crude oil pushes toward $107 as Iraq’s biggest oil refinery attacked

Militants may have 75% control of the oil facility
  




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Lol...It's funny you actually believe a president killed American Marines for his personal revenge killing and you aren't in Washington protesting.  Is that part of the oath you took to "defend the constitution"?  Oh yeah, you write strongly worded letters to politicians.  That's "doing something about it".

It amazes me that you sit calmly and present this theory knowing thousands of marines died for one president and not a national security interest.


It amazes me how arrogantly stupid you are!


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ISIS Secures US-Made Weapons, Ships Tanks to Syria Front

Officials: Probable ISIS Has Stinger Missiles

by Jason Ditz, June 17, 2014

  

Creating and equipping a brand new Iraqi military wholecloth was no problem for the US. It was a win-win, a chance to train up a new “ally” and ship massive amounts of US arms-makers equipment abroad.

It’s looking less wise now, as the Iraqi soldiers drop their US gear and run, and the advancing Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the same group that used to be al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) during the US occupation, is finding itself in possession of a lot of shiny new US military exports.

Indeed, ISIS has secured so many US-made vehicles that they don’t even need them all on the Iraq side of their new Islamic state, and reports say they are sending a number of US-made tanks, trucks and Humvees into Syria, to be used by ISIS fighters on the Syrian front.

Perhaps even more dangerous, US officials say it is “probable” that US-made anti-aircraft missiles are now in ISIS hands, meaning all air traffic in the region is in serious danger.
http://news.antiwar.com/2014/06/17/isis-secures-us-made-weapons-ships-tanks-to-syria-front/


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Iraq, Afghanistan, Viet Nam, and all wars, are all exactly the same.

Wars do nothing except kill, maim and create an unending cycle of violence and death, that is promoted as acceptable problem solving.

If we spent half of what we spend blowing people and villages apart in the middle East, on tractors, farm and irrigation equipment, we would be accepted as friends around the world, instead of imperialist aggressors.
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Good try Joey.  The embassy is proof the the invasion was for a long term US presence in Iraq. Not revenge killing


BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Another one that can't read or has not listened to Bush when he has outlined his invasion!


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Another one that can't read or has not listened to Bush when he has outlined his invasion!


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Bush on 9/11: 'We were going to find out who did this, and kick their a**'
George Bush's book explains why he opted to continue reading to Florida schoolchildren after being told of the 9/11 attacks
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The Guardian, Monday 8 November 2010 16.30 EST
George Bush, September 11 reaction
Bush writes in Decision Points of his response to the September 11 attacks: 'I thought about the contrast between the brutality of the attacks and the innocence of those children'. Photograph: Paul J Richards/EPA
On the fateful September day nine years ago, Bush's first inkling of the unfolding tragedy came as he walked into a classroom in Florida to read to a group of young children.

"On the short walk from the motorcade to the classroom, Karl Rove mentioned that an airplane had crashed into the World Trade Centre. That sounded strange. I envisioned a little propeller plane horribly lost," writes Bush.

But then his national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, called to tell him that what he thinks is a small plane is actually a commercial airliner.

"I was stunned. That plane must have had the worst pilot in the world. How could he possibly have flown into a skyscraper on a clear day? Maybe he had a heart attack," writes Bush.

The president may have been stunned, but it did not stop him going ahead with the school visit. Then came the scene that astonished the rest of the world almost as much as the attacks themselves.

A presidential aide, Andrew Card, tells Bush that a second plane has hit. The president looks as though he has been paralysed by shock. For seven minutes he sits there before a group of children, immobile while America was under attack.

But Bush says he was thinking.

"I looked at the faces of the children in front of me. I thought about the contrast between the brutality of the attacks and the innocence of those children. Millions like them would soon be counting on me to protect them. I was determined not to let them down," Bush writes.

"The reading lesson continued, but my mind raced far from the classroom. Who could have done this? How bad was the damage? What did the government need to do?"

Bush finally leaves the class and is ushered into another room to watch TV coverage of the attacks. The president's first impulse is to get on television himself.

"I watched in horror as the footage of the second plane hitting the south tower replayed in slow motion. The huge fireball and explosion of smoke were worse than I had imagined. The country would be shaken, and I needed to get on TV right away," he says.

He drafted a few words longhand and duly appeared to begin: "Ladies and gentlemen, this is a difficult moment for America …"

What followed was almost as damaging to Bush in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 as his stunned appearance at the school. The president disappeared into the sky on Air Force One and was not heard from by ordinary Americans for hours as the full horror of the assault unfolded.

Bush says he was settling into his seat as news of the third plane crash, at the Pentagon, came in. "My blood was boiling. We were going to find out who did this, and kick their a**." Then he prayed.

Bush remained in the air for hours, giving orders to his vice-president, Dick Cheney, at the White House. That decision was controversial as it made the president look as if he was in hiding or was not safe in his country's capital.

Bush says that he ordered the plane to return to Washington but he was overruled by the secret service and political aides. Eventually it flew to an air force base in Louisiana and then to a military base in Nebraska.

But then came a decision Bush had never imagined he would have to make. A fourth plane was headed toward Washington. The president ordered that it be shot down by American fighter aircraft.

"Hijacked planes were weapons of war. Despite the agonising costs, taking one out could save countless lives on the ground. I had just made my first decision as a wartime commander in chief," Bush writes.

Then news came of the fourth plane having gone down in Pennsylvania. "Did we shoot it down, or did it crash?" Bush asked. "Nobody knew. I felt sick to my stomach. Had I ordered the death of those innocent Americans?"

Only later did Bush learn that the plane had crashed after the passengers charged the hijackers in the cockpit.

The president says that one of the hardest things was following what was actually going on in his country that day. Air Force One had no satellite television and so would have to pick up local television stations as it flew over.

"After a few minutes on any given station, the screen would dissolve into static. I caught enough of a glimpse of the coverage to understand the horror of what the American people were watching. Stranded people were jumping to their deaths from the top floors of the World Trade Centre towers," he writes.

Bush returned to Washington with a clear sense that the enemy had to be confronted, but no certainty as to how to do it or even how to rally his own country.

"There is no textbook on how to steady a nation rattled by a faceless enemy," the former president writes.

"I relied on instincts and background. My west Texas optimism helped me project confidence.

"Occasionally I spoke a little too bluntly, such as when I said I wanted Bin Laden 'dead or alive'," he added.


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The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Bush on 9/11: 'We were going to find out who did this, and kick their a**'
George Bush's book explains why he opted to continue reading to Florida schoolchildren after being told of the 9/11 attacks
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and your point is???????
try to follow along...my points are why Bush was eager to invade Iraq and his comments....
in your quote he talks about 9/11....where does he speak about the invasion of Iraq?????


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