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Obamacare Prevented at Least 50,000 Deaths

TRUE according to the Washington Post Fact Check.

Thank You President Barack Hussein Obama!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....w&_hsmi=16871219


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Administration officials concede the number of preventable deaths is a bit fuzzy, in that the 50,000 is an estimate of an estimate. (First, there is a calculation how many incidents are avoided, and then from that a calculation of how many preventable deaths resulted.) Administration officials interviewed by The Fact Checker acknowledged the death estimate is less reliable than the calculation of incidents.
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Administration officials concede the number of preventable deaths is a bit fuzzy, in that the 50,000 is an estimate of an estimate. (First, there is a calculation how many incidents are avoided, and then from that a calculation of how many preventable deaths resulted.) Administration officials interviewed by The Fact Checker acknowledged the death estimate is less reliable than the calculation of incidents.


Yea... You're probably right.  ObamaCare probably only saved 49,000 lives, not 50,000.


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obamacare...as everyone likes to call it, was never FROM obama.....it's the ACA..AFFORDABLE care act....which is subjective....

here's the question.....saving lives from what?

an accident?
a chronic illness?
a personal choice of how one takes CARE of one's self?

and to what condition is the person saved to?

these are things that a government regulated program will have to play the vig at....ALL human lives are important, none being
more important than another.....HOWEVER, there will be a reconciliation that will be insidious and no one will know the difference.

what makes the ACA able to come into being is the availability of the current technology and it's algorithms/charts/stats etc.......

we WILL have our cake.....because AFFORDABLE is SUBJECTIVE as is the value of a human life when talking $$....we have remained the
same.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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ObamaCare’s first tax season includes all the elements needed to ignite a political firestorm.
Yet with only days to go until the filing deadline, nothing’s burning,” according to Politico.

“Americans are reckoning for the first time with the most unpopular part of the law — the
individual mandate — and having to prove they’ve had health insurance or to cough up a
penalty. As they’ve done their taxes, many people have learned they owe money because
they underestimated income when buying subsidized coverage in 2014. There’s been no
real uproar, though.”

The uninsured rate continues to plummet


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being uninsured is NOT a crime....or is it now? what IS a crime is the definition of affordable....as the government eats up private
employer coverage it will remove $$ from my income because they seem to think it's 'affordable'....fu(k them for rating my lifestyle.

I worked all these years (since I was 13) to get to where I am and now they come to take it...

AGAIN....FU(K THEM!

your car insurance is decreased as you age and the longer you go without an accident....

medical insurance doesn't work that way.....AFFORDABLE MY A$$


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Thank You President Barack Hussein Obama!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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being uninsured is NOT a crime....or is it now? what IS a crime is the definition of affordable....as the government eats up private
employer coverage it will remove $$ from my income because they seem to think it's 'affordable'....fu(k them for rating my lifestyle.

I worked all these years (since I was 13) to get to where I am and now they come to take it...

AGAIN....FU(K THEM!

your car insurance is decreased as you age and the longer you go without an accident....

medical insurance doesn't work that way.....AFFORDABLE MY A$$

Affordable = for most people  its about the same as your Time Warner cable bill


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Thank You President Barack Hussein Obama!  
The Hill: “Around 17 million people have gained health insurance since the core of ObamaCare
took effect in 2013, according to a RAND Corporation study released Wednesday. ”



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Yes Barack, insurance companies thank you for keeping profits high by forcing young healthy people to buy insurance they are statistically unlikely to use.  Baby boomers thank you too, for making it possible to keep their premiums affordable at the expense of their healthy grand children just entering the workforce.

Sorry millenials, grandpa needs your money to help pay to treat the hepatitis he contracted while following The Dead for 20 years.(when you were free to not purchase insurance)

I can't wait to really stick it to my grand kids generation by passing them my generations debt, and then gloat about it.


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Yes Barack, insurance companies thank you for keeping profits high by forcing young healthy people to buy insurance they are statistically unlikely to use.  Baby boomers thank you too, for making it possible to keep their premiums affordable at the expense of their healthy grand children just entering the workforce.

Sorry millenials, grandpa needs your money to help pay to treat the hepatitis he contracted while following The Dead for 20 years.(when you were free to not purchase insurance)

I can't wait to really stick it to my grand kids generation by passing them my generations debt, and then gloat about it.


But... but... Cicero.  You don't believe in FORCED HEALTH INSURANCE.  Don't tell us that you've
changed your mind... You can't wait to stick it to your grandkids???


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But... but... Cicero.  You don't believe in FORCED HEALTH INSURANCE.  Don't tell us that you've
changed your mind... You can't wait to stick it to your grandkids???


You've changed me!  I thought about my duty as a citizen and voting, and I realized what a waste if I didn't exercise my vote and ability to use the coercive powers of government to force a minority of the people to do things that
benefit me!  My live and let live thinking was wrong and selfish.  If I'm not working hard to use the coercive powers of government to press my societal views onto my fellow citizens, then I really have no right complaining.  I realize we need to get "we the people" to conform to one idea, a common goal that everybody will conform to, whether voluntarily or by force.  That is what American exceptionalism and freedom are all about.

God bless the troops keeping us free!


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ER Visits Jump As Obamacare Kicks In, Doctors Say
May 21, 2014 | Updated May 21, 2014
Jeffrey Young Huffington Post Health Care Reporter

ER Visits Jump As Obamacare Kicks In, Doctors Say

More people may be visiting hospital emergency departments this year as health benefits from Obamacare went live, according to a survey of physicians published Wednesday.

The American College of Emergency Physicians polled more than 1,800 emergency room doctors last month, and 46 percent reported increases in patients coming through their doors since Jan. 1, the day coverage took effect for millions under Obamacare. Twenty-seven percent said the number hadn't changed and 23 percent had seen a decline since Jan. 1. Over the next three years, 86 percent of these doctors believe emergency room use will increase.

The survey findings underscore the challenges beyond extending health coverage to more people, including improving access to primary care and changing the habits of patients accustomed to using the emergency room as a one-stop-shop for medical care. One of Obamacare's selling points was its potential to reduce costly emergency room visits for care that could more efficiently be delivered in a doctor's office or other setting, especially for patients who previously were uninsured. Increases in ER visits may provide critics fodder to contend the law isn't fulfilling that promise.

"Coverage does not equal access," said Rebecca Parker, an emergency room doctor in Chicago who is on the board of directors at the Irving, Texas-based American College of Emergency Physicians. "Just because you gave somebody Medicaid doesn't mean that there's a place for them to go in terms of a primary care, outpatient facility," she said.

According to the Association of American Medical Colleges, there will be nearly 30,000 too few primary care physicians in the United States to meet patient demand next year, and that gap will widen in the future as more people gain coverage and the population ages.


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May 21, 2014 | Updated May 21, 2014




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Yeah....And it hasn't gotten any better since last year.  It went from 46% ER Doctors seeing an increase last year to 75% ER Doctors seeing an increase this year.  

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Contrary to goals, ER visits rise under Obamacare
Laura Ungar and  Jayne O'Donnell, USA TODAY 10:49 a.m. EDT May 4, 2015

Three-quarters of emergency physicians say they've seen ER patient visits surge since Obamacare took effect — just the opposite of what many Americans expected would happen.

A poll released today by the American College of Emergency Physicians shows that 28% of 2,099 doctors surveyed nationally saw large increases in volume, while 47% saw slight increases. By contrast, fewer than half of doctors reported any increases last year in the early days of the Affordable Care Act.

Such hikes run counter to one of the goals of the health care overhaul, which is to reduce pressure on emergency rooms by getting more people insured through Medicaid or subsidized private coverage and providing better access to primary care.

A major reason that hasn't happened is there simply aren't enough primary care physicians to handle all the newly insured patients, says ACEP President Mike Gerardi, an emergency physician in New Jersey.

"They don't have anywhere to go but the emergency room," he says. "This is what we predicted. We know people come because they have to."

Experts cite many root causes. In addition to the nation's long-standing shortage of primary care doctors — projected by the federal government to exceed 20,000 doctors by 2020 — some physicians won't accept Medicaid because of its low reimbursement rates. That leaves many patients who can't find a primary care doctor to turn to the ER — 56% of doctors in the ACEP poll reported increases in Medicaid patients.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/.....e-care-act/26625571/


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