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Do you advocate Rancher Welfare for these scumbags?
Do you want to take up a collection to help them pay their bills?  Go ahead.  They are scamming
the taxpayer as it is, why not scam YOU TOO.


Welfare?  It's 600 acres of land in the middle of Nevada.  How much is that scrub brush the cattle are grazing on worth?  How much of your production is taxed to grow scrub brush?  If I pick wild flowers on public lands am I committing welfare fraud?  Do you advocate the Feds showing up at my house armed with AR 15's to threaten me and take my property?


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  If I pick wild flowers on public lands am I committing welfare fraud?  


If you had a commercial contract to pay for those 'wild flowers' and once picked and sold for a profit,
you didn't pay your debt... you would be committing fraud.  
So the answer is YES.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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  It's 600 acres of land in the middle of Nevada.  How much is that scrub brush the cattle are
grazing on worth?  

Apparently since ScumBucket Bundy agreed to pay over $1,000,000 for that right... it's worth
$1,000,000.



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Apparently since ScumBucket Bundy agreed to pay over $1,000,000 for that right... it's worth
$1,000,000.



That's not the value of the scrub brush, that's the arbitrary fees used to pay for the paramilitary to seize his property.

Oh, and how much in taxes does the Rancher pay?  Nobody in the media is reporting that.  Beef's pretty expensive, I'm sure it generates a lot of revenu.


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That's not the value of the scrub brush, that's the arbitrary fees used to pay for the paramilitary
to seize his property.

Oh, and how much in taxes does the Rancher pay?  Nobody in the media is reporting that.
Beef's pretty expensive, I'm sure it generates a lot of revenu.


Im sure that beef does generate a lot of revenue for Rancher Bundy.  Ya'd think he could at least
pay his bills instead of screwing the TaxPayer.  Just a typical TeaBagger  



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Welfare?  It's 600 acres of land in the middle of Nevada.  How much is that scrub brush the cattle are grazing on worth?  How much of your production is taxed to grow scrub brush?  If I pick wild flowers on public lands am I committing welfare fraud?  Do you advocate the Feds showing up at my house armed with AR 15's to threaten me and take my property?


As usual, Cissy is 'uninformed'.  The land in question isn't as Cissy puts it SCRUB BRUSH.  Instead it's
unusually fertile grassland, a valuable commodity in this part of Nevada.


http://www.8newsnow.com/catego.....&clipId=10077043


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As usual, Cissy is 'uninformed'.  The land in question isn't as Cissy puts it SCRUB BRUSH.  Instead it's
unusually fertile grassland, a valuable commodity in this part of Nevada.


http://www.8newsnow.com/catego.....&clipId=10077043


How much do the other animals that graze on it pay?  How much does the desert tortoise pay?




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How much do the other animals that graze on it pay?  How much does the desert tortoise pay?


How much profit does ScumBag Rancher Bundy make from grazing on this prime land?
I wonder how much he'd have to pay to graze his cattle on similar Nevada land?


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How much profit does ScumBag Rancher Bundy make from grazing on this prime land?
I wonder how much he'd have to pay to graze his cattle on similar Nevada land?


how much $$$ does the government collect from you to provide you with the privilege to work at a job that generates
$$ of which you have to pay a fee to the government for the privilege doing said work


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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How much profit does ScumBag Rancher Bundy make from grazing on this prime land?
I wonder how much he'd have to pay to graze his cattle on similar Nevada land?


How much does the scumbag govt make off the taxes on his beef cattle?  How many scumbag BLM agents eat the beef from his cattle?


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How much does the scumbag govt make off the taxes on his beef cattle?  How many scumbag
BLM agents eat the beef from his cattle?

Until Scumbag Bundy pays the govt the $1,000,000 that he owes them, the government makes
nothing.  In fact, the govt is losing money to cover the cost of investigating Bundy's criminal
activity.
As with most criminal activity, apprehending criminals  costs all taxpayers both dollars and
resources.
America eats beef... most of that beef comes from ranchers, just like Bundy.  Many of those ranchers
graze their beef on contracted govt grazing land... only those ranchers pay their grazing bills
and those ranchers make a profit.
As it stands, the US TAXPAYERS are subsidizing BUNDY's beef.  It's time to confiscate this criminals
assets and bring him to justice.


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Until Scumbag Bundy pays the govt the $1,000,000 that he owes them, the government makes
nothing.  In fact


Owes $1 million?  That's a "fact"?  That's a pretty even number.  


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Owes $1 million?  That's a "fact"?  That's a pretty even number.  


Oh.  Am I mistaken??? Since you doubt that the $1,000,000 number is right,
please post the correct number so that I won't keep on making this same mistake.


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Oh.  Am I mistaken??? Since you doubt that the $1,000,000 number is right,
please post the correct number so that I won't keep on making this same mistake.


You posted the fact.  I have to source your "facts"?


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You posted the fact.  I have to source your "facts"?


I posted the FACT that ScumBag Bundy owes $1,000,000 as I read it:
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"Actor Wesley Snipes spent three years in jail for failing to file tax returns from 1999 to 2001.
Rancher Cliven Bundy hasn’t paid the federal government its due in more 20 years. But this
lawbreaker is not in jail; he’s grabbing headlines while ripping off American taxpayers.

Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy was all over the national media this past week when federal Bureau
of Land Management agents seized his cattle to settle the more than $1 million in unpaid fines
he’d racked up since 1993

US News & World Report
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/.....r-his-cattle-grazing

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However, he vowed to go to court to collect more than $1 million in back grazing
fees he says Cliven Bundy owes for trespassing on federal lands since the 1990s.

CBS NEWS
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nevada-rancher-cliven-bundy-inspects-cattle-for-damage-by-feds/

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The federal government had countered that Bundy "owes the American people in excess of $1 million "
in unpaid grazing fees and "refuses to abide by the law of land, despite many opportunities
over the last 20 years to do so."

ABC News
http://abcnews.go.com/US/nevada-cattle-rancher-wins-range-war-federal-government/story?id=23302610

So again Cissy... to your post
"Owes $1 million?  That's a "fact"?  That's a pretty even number. "
If you have a more accurate number please enlighten us.


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