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The Ritalin cured them of ADHD?



EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cure or manipulation of a normal growth pattern which ISN'T abnormal, just outside of the social engineering of humans
and the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to big pharma and 'good' medicine......


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Mr. White knew exactly what he was doing....he just bypassed big pharma.......and the dentists make good $$....

amphetamines rot your teeth....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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If you want to go on anecdotal stuff, I'll play that game...
Both of my kids have/had ADHD and both of them were on Ritalin.
They are full grown now...one drinks alcohol occasionally and one doesn't drink or use drugs at all..


I'm glad to hear of your kids success. However, almost ALL of the ones I 'personally' know, and those I hear about...that was NOT the case. I guess it's REALLY not a 'one size fits all'. That is one reason why these drugs should NOT be handed out like candy....if really needed at all!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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AND THIS IS WHAT THE EXPERTS DO TO OUR KIDS:

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Health risks and problems associated with amphetamine use:
Agitation, Inability to Concentrate: In some users, increasing with dose, amphetamine causes agitation, restlessness, and inability to concentrate or focus.
Frequency: uncommon, increasing with dose.
Certainty: clear causation.
Cardiovascular Stress: Increased heart rate and blood pressure. Tachycardia (fast heart) and palpitations are common at high doses.
Frequency: very common.
Certainty: clear causation.
Heart Attack & Hypertensive Crisis: With higher doses and for vulnerable individuals, Cardiovascular Stress can precipitate severe hypertensive crises and Heart Attacks.
Frequency: uncommon.
Certainty: clear causation.
Stroke: Increases risk of stroke as dose increases.
Frequency: unknown.
Certainty: medium. [Kaku 1990, Lambrecht 1993]
Overheating: High doses can cause overheating (hyperthermia) which can be dangerous in certain environments or for vulnerable people.
Frequency: common.
Certainty: clear causation.
Poor Sleep Quality: Mild sleep disruptions are very common and include difficulty falling asleep and poor sleep quality.
Frequency: typical.
Certainty: clear causation.
Sleep Deprivation: Repeated dosing can lead to lack of sleep for days on end, resulting in cognitive impairment, poor judgement, confusion, hallucinations, and paranoia.
Frequency: typical with repeated dosing.
Certainty: clear causation.
Bad Driving: Lack of sleep can lead to impaired judgement and poor driving.
Frequency: common with sleep deprivation.
Certainty: link established.
Poor Diet: Reduced appetite and reduced enjoyment of eating can lead to poor diet which, over time, can lead to poor general health, oral health and skin tone, and increased physical and mental stress.
Frequency: common with chronic use.
Certainty: clear causation.
Stress & Oxidative Damage: Methamphetamine causes stress to the body and mind and causes an increase in oxidative stress in blood and tissues. At very high doses and frequencies of use, organ damage and premature aging may occur.
Frequency: common.
Certainty: some evidence.
Damage to Teeth and Gums #: Jaw tension can lead to teeth grinding (bruxia/bruxism) and permanent wear and cracking. Long-term use of amphetamines can result in tooth rot (dental caries) and loss of teeth. [Shaner 2002] Regular amphetamine use can lead to gingivitis (inflammation of the gums). This may be the result of prolonged dry mouth which can cause the gums to become inflamed, worsening oral health. [Hasan 2004].
Frequency: common.
Certainty: link established.

Paranoia: Using recreational (higher) doses of amphetamines more than once per day or for several days in a row can cause mild to moderate paranoid ideation in some users. The paranoid thinking can cause lasting problems and the paranoia can sometimes last for days or weeks after use ceases. Regular amphetamine use (and lack of sleep) can cause paranoid, delusional thinking and sometimes auditory and visual hallucinations (usually barely audible or on the periphery of vision). Chronic, high dose use may lead to long term mental health problems. [Nurse's PDR 2005]
Frequency: uncommon.
Certainty: some evidence [self reports].
Risky Sex: Euphoria, altered mental state, and altered sense of control at recreational doses can lead to risky sexual behavior. [ Self Reports ]
Frequency: unknown.
Certainty: some evidence [self reports].
Dry Mucus Membranes: Dried mucus membranes can lead to bloody noses, painful sinus dryness, and increased likelihood of sinus infections.
Frequency: common.
Certainty: link established.
Dry Skin, Picking at the Skin: Regular amphetamine use is associated with a drying of the skin and increased itchyness. Obsessively picking or pulling at the skin (sometimes until it bleeds) is reported in many people after higher dose, frequent use of methamphetamine.
Frequency: unknown.
Certainty: some evidence [self reports].
Neurotoxicity (Methamphetamine): At high doses, methamphetamine causes damage to dopamine and serotonin neurons in the brain [Seiden 1976, Thompson 2004]. Long term use may lead to noticeable neurological and behavioral problems. This effect is well documented with methamphetamine in mice and now largely confirmed in humans; behavioral/clinical effects of this damage is not well documented in humans [Hanson 2004].
Frequency: unknown.
Certainty: link established in rodents, exact nature unclear in humans.
Neurotoxicity (D/L-Amphetamine): Neurotoxicity with D/L amphetamine (most of what is prescribed as medications) is not as well documented, but at very high doses and frequencies, neurotoxicity does occur in mice and rats. [Jonsson 1982]
Frequency: unknown.
Certainty: unknown.
Rhabdomyolysis and Kidney Damage: Breakdown of muscle fibers usually caused by overheating and overstimulation. High-dose use can result in rhabdomyolysis, causing large amounts of proteins to be released into the blood. Urine becomes dark as the rhabdomyolysis increases and the kidneys can suffer mild to severe damage. [Chan 1994, Lan 1998].
Frequency: rare.
Certainty: some direct evidence.
Dangerous to combine with other stimulants: Amphetamines used with MDMA appear to cause damage to the dopamine neurons in the brain [Reneman 2002]. Amphetamines combined with other stimulants can substantially increase the risk of dangerous hyperthermia (overheating), rhabdomyolysis (breakdown of muscles), and other related health problems.
Frequency: uncommon.
Certainty: clear causation.
Death: Usually resuling from cardiac arrest, stroke, or hyperthermia. Acute renal failure associated with rhabdomyolysis, acidosis, and ischemic renal failure also is associated with methamphetamine fatalities. Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation also reported. [Lan 1998].
Frequency: rare.
Certainty: clear causation.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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where is Timothy Leary when you need him:

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Health benefits associated with amphetamine use:
Reduced Appetite: Although still prescribed to aid in weight loss, the recognized cardiovascular risks of using amphetamines now make their prescription for weight loss far less common than in the past. The prevalence of "weight loss only" non-prescription use of amphetamines is impossible to gauge.
Frequency: typical.
Certainty: clear causation.
Attention Deficit Disorder: Amphetamines are widely prescribed for use in treating moderate to severe cases of Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) in both children and adults. Attention-improving doses tend to be low doses (3-20 mg of amphetamine or methamphetamine oral), although dosages are higher for tolerated individuals.
Frequency: effective for some.
Certainty: link established.
Attention / Wakefulness: In low doses and used infrequently, amphetamine increases wakefulness and attentiveness in users. It is used by truckers, the military, and others who need to stay awake for long periods of time. Wakefulness can be important for safety when operating machinery.
Frequency: typical.
Certainty: link established.
Dry Mucus Membranes: Dried mucus membranes can reduce allergy and cold symptoms.
Frequency: common. Certainty: link established.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Amphetamine/dextroamphetamine is used for:


Treating attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and narcolepsy (sudden and uncontrollable attacks of drowsiness and sleepiness). It may also be used for other conditions as determined by your doctor.

Amphetamine/dextroamphetamine is an amphetamine. Exactly how it works is not known. Amphetamine/dextroamphetamine affects certain chemicals in the brain that may affect attention span and behavior.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Quoted from CICERO


The Ritalin cured them of ADHD?


no...but it did allow them to succeed in school by "taking the edge off", IMHO...
We stayed with the same dose as they grew and got older which ended being a reduced dose in reality.. a natural way of weaning them off the drug...They both eventually said they didn't feel they needed it, so they stopped taking it....they developed the coping skills and maturity that made the drug unnecessary.


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Quoted from 55tbird


no...but it did allow them to succeed in school by "taking the edge off", IMHO...
We stayed with the same dose as they grew and got older which ended being a reduced dose in reality.. a natural way of weaning them off the drug...They both eventually said they didn't feel they needed it, so they stopped taking it....they developed the coping skills and maturity that made the drug unnecessary.


55, this is a difficult discussion without accidentally hurting feelings.  I personally believe academic success in elementary and secondary school is no reason to medicate/drug a child.  My belief is, if the school setting is putting a child "on edge" there is something wrong with that environment causing the anxiety.  It's probably the 7 hours of confinement, bells, permission to use the bathroom, a ridged structure, bullying, and the emphasis on testing and homework.  

I'm glad your children are doing well and no longer need the drug,  and that it was a positive experience for you.


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and now the COMMON CORE
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IMHO.........drugging children so they can 'perform' or 'fit in' to a 'system'....just seems so bizarre to me!

Telling a child/children, from such a young age...that they don't 'measure up' and need to take drugs to accomplish that/fit in...also seems bizarre to me and sets a false precedence for cultural/educational/economic acceptance. I PERSONALLY think it is degrading to a child at such a young age to be told you need a drug to 'measure up'....measure up to what?

....AGAIN.....IMHO!!!

Humans AREN'T all the same.........THANK GOD!!


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Im not saying I agree or disagree with it but I do see children that struggle and those that are basically difficult kids. I myself have ADD and I can understand what my child goes through. She is on a very low dose and functions very well. I also see the overly drugged kids and it frightens me. In my environment I see kids that are autistic and extreme behaviors that suddenly turn into zombies. Obvious mismedicated. But then you meet the parents and the lightbulb comes on. These kids are a product of their environments. And surely we are not dealing with just a hyper child. Someone is making money from these situations. But its the child that pays the price.
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Gemini, I don't want to sound like I'm criticizing you, I have posted on this issue in the past and stated that I believe that there are probably kids out there who need certain medications and do benefit from them. I have a relative who, back in the day, was diagnosed as what they used to call 'hyperactive'. They didn't do the Ritalin thing back then, perhaps it would have benefitted him, who knows? What is alarming to me is the huge, huge increase in the use of these drugs, with what appears to be very little benefit. How can it be, a child who has been in foster care automatically needs a buttload of heavy drugs?
I saw a little girl being tested for possible serious problems CAUSED by the heavy drugs they had her on. OMG! Another one, there was nothing "hyper" about her, the teacher decided that she would benefit from drugs, know the girl is a skinny, starey-eyed zombie. I am not kidding.
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HUMAN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT IS WHY HUMANS ARE DRUGGED INTO BEING COGS:

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New Aberdeen Report Validates Benefits of Integrated Time & Attendance Automation


Tracking time and attendance is at the core of workforce management. Managing time and attendance is a critical element to an organization’s ability to understand who is working for them on any given day and any given task, and is often the first link that organizations establish between HR and financial systems such as payroll.  This data collection and integration is critical to effective organizational decision-making around talent.  Organizations need to start by standardizing workforce management process, not only to ensure that they are the most efficient and effective possible, but also to support transparency. Integration of time and attendance data with other aspects of workforce management helps organizations not only improve accuracy but also provides the foundation for labor analytics.

Organizations need to have consistency and transparency in how they track and calculate hours worked, pay, and overtime and time-off policies for two important reasons.  First, it helps managers and employees understand their workforce management process and how it impact them, building trust with the organization by ensuring that everyone is treated the same way.  Second, organizations must be transparent to external parties, to local, state and federal governments as required by law, to any unions representing employees, to shareholders, or in the case of public sector organizations, to the taxpayers who fund the organization. The ability to track and report, and document that policies are executed consistently, is of critical importance for compliance, as well as manager and employee engagement.

Key findings include:

Organizations that integrated time and attendance with payroll had an almost 30% lower rate of payroll processing errors and 32% lower rate in the tracking of actual time worked.
Organizations using automated time and attendance saw 57% fewer errors in PTO calculations.
Nearly a third of organizations still have manual time and attendance processes in place.
61% of organizations provide manager self-service and 62% provide employee self-service access to workforce management data.
41% of organizations integrate time and attendance with workforce management (HR, Payroll, Time, Scheduling and Absence Management) or ERP solution.
66% of organizations integrate time and attendance with payroll.
70% of organizations integrate time and attendance with scheduling.
Time and attendance is just one aspect of total workforce management, but is often a critical foundation for further process improvement, automation and data integration.  As organizations look to improve and automate their time and attendance solutions, they need to keep in mind the importance of standardizing processes, automating to improve efficiency, communicating to ensure transparency and compliance, and integrating to allow for better decision-making.


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Madam X - I completely agree with you. I was just stating that some kids needit and those that dont, are getting medicated. Someone in the system is getting paid, whether the doc or the parents. Its the kids that suffer either way. I have one that is on something, not sure what, and sleeps all morning. Doesnt eat and is out of control all afternoon.
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