Quoted from Box A Rox

Heart beat??? So someone who is clinically brain dead and if the family disconnects them from life support,
then they would be guilty of MURDER?  

Quoted from CICERO

Oh...And what are your feelings about NYS issuing death certificates for stillbirths?  If the "person" never received a birth certificate, how does it received a death certificate?

Quoted from CICERO

My understanding of death based on medical science is cardiac arrest, or when the heart stops beating.

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In traditional Western medical practice, death was defined as the cessation of the body's circulatory and respiratory (blood pumping and breathing) functions. With the invention of machines that provide artificial circulation and respiration that definition has ceased to be practical and has been modified to include another category of death called brain death. People can now be kept alive using such machines even when their brains have effectively died and are no longer able to control their bodily functions. Moreover, in certain medical procedures, such as open-heart surgery, individuals do not breathe or pump blood on their own. Since it would be wrong to declare as dead all persons whose circulatory or respiratory systems are temporarily maintained by artificial means (a category that includes many patients undergoing surgery), the medical community has determined that an individual may be declared dead if brain death has occurred—that is, if the whole brain has ceased to function, or has entered what is sometimes called a persistent vegetative state. An individual whose brain stem (lower brain) has died is not able to maintain the vegetative functions of life, including respiration, circulation, and swallowing. According to the Uniform Determination of Death Act (§ 1, U.L.A. [1980]), from which most states have developed their brain death statutes, "An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory function, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem, is dead."

Brain death becomes a crucial issue in part because of the importance of organ transplants. A brain-dead person may have organs—a heart, a liver, and lungs, for example—that could save other people's lives. And for an individual to be an acceptable organ donor, he or she must be dead but still breathing and circulating blood. If a brain-dead person is maintained on artificial respiration until his or her heart fails, then these usable organs would perish. Thus, the medical category of brain death makes it possible to accomplish another goal: saving lives with organ transplants.

Quoted from CICERO

Oh...And what are your feelings about NYS issuing death certificates for stillbirths?  If the "person" never received a birth certificate, how does it received a death certificate?

Quoted from joebxr

What about an individual that has been missing for 7+ years? There is no evidence that their heart has stopped or that they are clinically or medically "dead", but a death certificate can be issued.

Quoted from Box A Rox

Exactly!  Once someone is BORN then they are a citizen with a birth certificate and rights just like
every other American.
Before that... not so much.

Quoted from CICERO

So being born dead is life in the eyes of the state?  So a partial birth abortion where a fetus is removed piece by piece is a citizen?

Quoted from Sombody

according to you people are getting away with murder if they dont agree with your' science'.

Quoted from CICERO

Not murder, but in legal terms, justifiable homicide.  Sort of like self defense.

BTW...Science is pretty clear of what human life is.  Abortion is politics, not science.

Quoted from Sombody

I said science is not clear when LIFE STARTS or when it ends for that matter .

Quoted from CICERO

Science is clear when human life starts too.  Science doesn't argue "personhood".  Science doesn't have a magical moment when a fertilized egg turns into a person.  The Supreme Court lawyers determine that.

Quoted from Sombody

It certainly is not clear. It depends on what scientist you ask.

Sure your scientist says life starts "here".

Well  my scientist can beat up your scientist.

Quoted from CICERO

Please, cite your scientist that says a fertilized human egg is something other than a individual human life.

Quoted from Box A Rox

All science says that a fertilized egg is a zygote.  I'll take that definition.

Quoted from CICERO

Yup, I agree...The beginning of an individual human life.