DVOR, it sounds like you are trying to disagree with what I said, only I didn't say what you seem to think I did.
My problem with the mob theory is that the mob has never been known to be other than crude, blatant, and heavy-handed, and that unless all mobsters were in agreement with this, the ones who weren't in on it would be furious at the exposure, and would've likely retaliated.

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DVOR, it sounds like you are trying to disagree with what I said, only I didn't say what you seem to think I did.
My problem with the mob theory is that the mob has never been known to be other than crude, blatant, and heavy-handed, and that unless all mobsters were in agreement with this, the ones who weren't in on it would be furious at the exposure, and would've likely retaliated.

I do disagree with the assertion that Jack Ruby was an "otherwise sane man" who shot Oswald only because he was upset that Kennedy has been killed.  Ruby was to say the least a strange person and he did have connections with the mob.  Furthermore, Ruby knew he was dying of cancer.  It is not a stretch to draw the conclusion that Ruby was put up to the task of putting the hit on Oswald -- knowing full well that he would be dead soon after and unable to sing like a parakeet.

I would also disagree with the assertion that the mob  has "never been known to be other than crude, blatant and heavy-handed."   They certainly have the capability of carrying out acts like the assassinations of John Kennedy and Robert Kennedy, and they most certainly have the ability to cover their tracks and keep a secret under wraps.

Furthermore, it is quite well known that the mob had connections with Cuba before and after Castro came to power.  Kennedy was hated by both the mob and Castro.  Again -- not a stretch -- the mob and Castro working together to put the hit on a common enemy(ies)  John and Robert Kennedy.

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Furthermore, it is quite well known that the mob had connections with Cuba before and after Castro came to power.  Kennedy was hated by both the mob and Castro.  Again -- not a stretch -- the mob and Castro working together to put the hit on a common enemy(ies)  John and Robert Kennedy.

This is a theory that I agree is 'quite' possible. Don't know so much about castro...but leaning more toward the mob.

Um, DVOR, I didn't make that assertion, you once again fail at reading comprehension.
bt, the mob wanting to do something like that, yes, it is plausible, and there is supporting evidence that it could have happened that way, but in order for that to have happened they would have all had to get together on it and keep silent, and the various families were not good at getting together and keeping quiet. That "omerta" business never worked in real life. They were always ratting each other out and retaliating. Plus, nobody in crime, making their money illegally, wants to bring down the attention and wrath of the whole world on their heads, it is way too risky to their livelihoods. Also, the police didn't have Oswald anymore, to talk, but they had Jack Ruby. Too much risk, IMO. Bobby Kennedy was already annoying various mobsters, I don't believe he wouldn't have come after them with everything at his disposal if he had even a shred of evidence of their involvement, and they knew that.
Just my thoughts, bt, I'm not belittling your ideas or saying mine are better. Unlike SOME posters.

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Um, DVOR, I didn't make that assertion, you once again fail at reading comprehension.
bt, the mob wanting to do something like that, yes, it is plausible, and there is supporting evidence that it could have happened that way, but in order for that to have happened they would have all had to get together on it and keep silent, and the various families were not good at getting together and keeping quiet. That "omerta" business never worked in real life. They were always ratting each other out and retaliating. Plus, nobody in crime, making their money illegally, wants to bring down the attention and wrath of the whole world on their heads, it is way too risky to their livelihoods. Also, the police didn't have Oswald anymore, to talk, but they had Jack Ruby. Too much risk, IMO. Bobby Kennedy was already annoying various mobsters, I don't believe he wouldn't have come after them with everything at his disposal if he had even a shred of evidence of their involvement, and they knew that.
Just my thoughts, bt, I'm not belittling your ideas or saying mine are better. Unlike SOME posters.

You seem to want to make it personal.  The simple fact is that I happen to believe in a different theory.  Frankly, we will never know the whole truth behind the assassinations of John and Robert Kennedy, and quite frankly it is not something that I stay up nights worrying about.  

Personally, I never bought into the overblown Kennedy family hype.  There was no Camelot.  That was a figment of Jackie Kennedy's and William Manchester's imaginations.  The real hero of the 1960's, if there was one, was Lyndon Johnson who brought effective leadership, civil rights and voting rights as well as the Great Society.  

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  The real hero of the 1960's, if there was one, was Lyndon Johnson who brought effective leadership, civil rights and voting rights as well as the Great Society.  

Yah real hero...Johnson significantly escalated our involvement in Vietnam and authorised the first overt use of US troops to go and fight....NOW THAT'S A HERO in DVOR's opinion!!!

President Kennedy’s last speech was given the morning of Nov. 22, 1963.
Excerpts from that speech:

“This is a very dangerous and uncertain world…

No one expects that our life will be easy…

But we should realize what a burden and responsibility the people of the United States have
borne for so many years…

I don’t think that we are fatigued or tired. We would like to live as we once lived, but history
will not permit it…

The balance of power is still on the side of freedom. We are still the keystone in the arch of
freedom. And I think that we will continue to do as we have done in our past. Our duty.”

In hindsight I give the man more credit. I see a lot of parallels to today. A brash, arrogant, inexperienced young man, with a sense of entitlement, rides in on a wave of hope for the future, seen as the newer, more 'hip' thing, and finds out real quick what he doesn't know. Unlike today, he learns and is chastened by his blunders. One of the sadder features of the whole tragedy, IMO, is that this genuinely wiser man did not get the chance to prove himself. That could very well be the reason he was taken out.
Some have criticized Johnson for what they saw as the cold-hearted way he had himself immediately sworn in, with a stunned widow standing by. I disagree, because at that time, no one except the killer(s) knew what happened, other than that the president was murdered. It was the right thing to do for the country, to show that power was uninterrupted. We could have been under attack, for all anyone knew.

God bless Jackie....now and always....JFK a true man of honor no matter what his indescressions were.....go back in time .....

no one is perfect  as  the politicians of today have grown to be proud of whatever crime they commit....and want to be thanked and in the

public light no matter what....

JFK....the world would be different.....government has no shame these days......

WE THE PEOPLE........it has been said that all if for not with the Constitution....believe it or not...

I was impressed with Jackie's commitment to what would look best and be best for our country, at a time like that. Amazing to see her little girl so perfectly behaved, looking to her mother to see whether she was doing the right thing. Not quite six years old.

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Yah real hero...Johnson significantly escalated our involvement in Vietnam and authorised the first overt use of US troops to go and fight....NOW THAT'S A HERO in DVOR's opinion!!!

Kennedy had the President of South Vietnam (Diem) assassinated and was escalating our involvement in Vietnam right up to the end of his presidency.  Kennedy's top advisors like Robert McNamara were strongly pushing for expanding the U.S. role in Vietnam.   Civil Rights and Voting Rights were stalled and going nowhere under Kennedy - until Lyndon Johnson became President and used his influence and powers of persuasion to get this important legislation voted into law.  And Kennedy had no plan to tackle poverty and other domestic social issues.

Lyndon Johnson was a hero in many ways -- not a perfect human being -- but he knew how to use the power of the presidency to accomplish big things -- good things.  In my humble opinion, he was the best Democratic president since F.D.R. -- none of his successors from his party could even come close to living up to his accomplishments.  

who cares....dead is dead

Whoever assassinated JFK, probably hacked the Obamacare website.  Those damn conspirators!

50 years ago...Nobody cares...Everyone that was involved is dead.

Get over it.