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Senator Rand Paul: A long-needed constitutional amendment
Congress must live by the same rules they impose on the nation
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/24/paul-no-one-is-above-the-law-but-congress/
This is something that use to go without saying, in America. They have no right at all to give themselves special rights, and there is absolutely no excuse for their doing so. I disagree with Senator Paul, though. The useless bums who allegedly represent us would have no problem at all brazenly voting against this amendment, as they already shamelessly voted to insulate themselves from this abomination that was good enough for the rest of us.
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Members of Congress "specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have
passed, such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment"
... (and) from the healthcare reform."


NOPE!

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"On the assertion that Members of Congress are exempt from the provisions of the
Affordable Care Act: also false," he wrote. "Members of Congress are subject under the
health care reform law to the same mandate that others are to purchase insurance, and
their plans must have the same minimum standards of benefits that other insurance plans
will have to meet. Members of Congress currently have not a gold-plated free plan but
the same insurance options that most other federal employees have, and they do not
have it provided for free. They have a generous subsidy for their premiums, but no more
generous (and compared to many businesses or professions less generous) than standard
employer-provided subsidies throughout the country."

FactCheck.org examined the broader claim that members of Congress "specifically
exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt
from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment)," and found it "15 years out of
date" in 2010.

The reason: Passage of the Congressional Accountability Act of 1995. It specifically
made sure a variety of laws dealing with civil rights, labor and workplace safety regulations
applied to the legislative branch of government. The independent Office of Compliance was
set up to enforce the laws in Congress.

The act specifically prohibits harassment based on sex, race, color, religion, national origin,
age and disability.


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If we are going to criticize congress at least let the criticism be fair and based on facts instead
of persistent urban legends."
At best, the chain email's statement about Congressional exemptions is ridiculously out of date.
At worst, it is cynically inaccurate.
On the Truth-O-Meter, it rates Pants on Fire!
PolitiFact


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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"On the assertion that Members of Congress are exempt from the provisions of the
Affordable Care Act: also false," he wrote. "Members of Congress are subject under the
health care reform law to the same mandate that others are to purchase insurance, and
their plans must have the same minimum standards of benefits that other insurance plans
will have to meet. Members of Congress currently have not a gold-plated free plan but
the same insurance options that most other federal employees have, and they do not
have it provided for free. They have a generous subsidy for their premiums, but no more
generous (and compared to many businesses or professions less generous) than standard
employer-provided subsidies throughout the country."


That subsidy means the law is not applied evenly.  They are subsidizing themselves with tax money to to reduce the pain they would otherwise feel from the increase.  People in the private sector do not have the power to chisel out some money out of strangers pockets to make up for the 100% increase in premiums. Congress isn't a "business", congressmen are allegedly public servants making laws.  They made a law, then subsidized themselves from experiencing the pain in caused.  


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That subsidy means the law is not applied evenly.  They are subsidizing themselves with tax money to to reduce the pain they would otherwise feel from the increase.  People in the private sector do not have the power to chisel out some money out of strangers pockets to make up for the 100% increase in premiums. Congress isn't a "business", congressmen are allegedly public servants making laws.  They made a law, then subsidized themselves from experiencing the pain in caused.  


LMAO!  Why do you care?  All you do is complain.  If you don't like it, then vote against them... but
that would make you responsible for your vote.  Instead you prefer to cry and sob and whimper about
the people that YOU elect by your lack of participation.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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I did not say anything about Congress being exempt, and I did not elect these people. I was discussing Rand Paul's proposed amendment. Who said anything about sexual harrassment, and what does that have to do with health insurance? What a red herring. It has nothing to do with the topic. And if people believe that Congress is exempt from Obamacare, that would be a misconception, wouldn't it, not an 'urban legend', and anyway, they are unaffected by it, as are their aides and their families, so this factcheck person is really splitting hairs. They should all lose what they have, and go to the exchanges. Sauce for the goose.
You have a problem with his amendment? If so, why? If not, you are the one who is complaining, and about nothing, really.
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Instead you prefer to cry and sob and whimper about
the people that YOU elect by your lack of participation.


I participated, my vote wasn't counted.  That sacred moment in the voting booth, doings God's work...all for nothing.


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I participated, my vote wasn't counted.  That sacred moment in the voting booth, doings God's work...all for nothing.


OFFICIAL 2012 PRESIDENTIAL GENERAL ELECTION RESULTS
WRITE-IN VOTES
NY
9,056 (write in)
7,061,925 (Total)


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I participated, my vote wasn't counted.  That sacred moment in the voting booth, doings God's work...all for nothing.


I found your Ron Paul 2012 vote count for you Cissy.  Now you can stop pouting that your "sacred" vote
wasn't counted.

OTAL RON PAUL VOTES PER STATE
Alabama0
Alaska3
Arizona10
Arkansas0
California16
Colorado9
Connecticut4
Delaware0
Florida25
Georgia5
Hawaii0
Idaho0
Illinois12
Indiana2
Iowa7
Kansas2
Kentucky2
Louisiana0
Maine9
Maryland1
Massachusetts3
Michigan4
Minnesota5
Mississippi0
Missouri4
Montana3
Nebraska0
Nevada5
NewHampshire
(for Gary
Johnson ) 1
NewJersey4
NewMexico0
NewYork14
NorthCarolina2
NorthDakota0
Ohio9
Oklahoma1
Oregon6
Pennsylvania1
RhodeIsland1
SouthCarolina0
SouthDakota0
Tennessee0
Texas8
Utah2
Vermont0
Virginia0
Washington8
WestVirginia0
Wisconsin7
Wyoming4
GRAND TOTAL OF RON PAUL VOTES 199

http://writeinron2012.com/writeinBlog/2012/12/05/the-results-are-in/total-ron-paul-votes-per-state/


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John Kenneth Galbraith

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That isn't a total box that is a blog where people who knew about that site could say they wrote him in, I never even heard of that site and I thought I seen them all


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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That isn't a total box that is a blog where people who knew about that site could say they wrote him in, I never even heard of that site and I thought I seen them all


Yea.  I think this group kind of exaggerated Ron Paul's numbers.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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