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NO CISSY.  Just one more Cicero Straw Man.

Try again!  

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You said ISIS is attacking out of Turkey and Turkish hospitals have been treating their wounded for 3 years.   Is Turkey a NATO ally?  The second largest Army in NATO can't stop it?

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So you are saying a NATO member is basing terrorist attacks out of their country?  sh*t!  That's a bigger problem for Obama than the attacks themselves.  What an absolute failure Obama is!  Is Obama still selling weapons to Turkey knowing they are helping facilitate their attacks and treat their wounded?  

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LMAO @ Turkey!
ISIS operated from TURKEY for at least 3 years, moving freely across their borders.  Wounded ISIS
troops were treated at Turkish Hospitals.  
Turkey just now is opposing ISIS but just barely.

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U.S. uses Syrian rebel supply lines as it prepares to send arms

Reuters) - The United States has quietly been testing the Syrian opposition's ability to deliver food rations, medical kits and money to rebel-held areas as Washington prepares to send arms to the rebel fighters.

U.S. officials meet weekly in Turkey with Syrian opposition leaders to work out how best to keep supply lines open to rebel fighters and war-ravaged towns and districts.

One of the Syrian opposition's best-known female leaders, Suhair al-Atassi, attends the meetings as coordinator of the "non-lethal" aid that includes equipment for rebel fighters and local councils, as opposed to humanitarian aid for the displaced.

Supplies are handed to officers of the moderate Free Syrian Army (FSA) at clandestine locations that cannot be divulged for security reasons.

"I sign the paperwork, and shake the hands of the FSA official," said a U.S. State Department official involved in the effort. "I wish them well and walk away."

The rebels take aid for their own units and also distribute some of it to schools, clinics and local councils.

The United States has committed $250 million in non-lethal aid to Syria in addition to the $815 million in humanitarian assistance in support of the rebels fighting President Bashar al-Assad's forces.

Recently, Washington began scaling up its assistance to bigger items like trucks, radios, large generators and sophisticated medical equipment.

Some of it is not only aimed at helping fighters but also at supporting civilian authorities in towns that have rejected Assad's rule.

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Arms Airlift to Syria Rebels Expands, With Aid From C.I.A.
With help from the C.I.A., Arab governments and Turkey have sharply increased their military aid to Syria’s opposition fighters in recent months, expanding a secret airlift of arms and equipment for the uprising against President Bashar al-Assad, according to air traffic data, interviews with officials in several countries and the accounts of rebel commanders.

Even with the weapons from abroad, rebels say they are hard pressed to fight the government.

The airlift, which began on a small scale in early 2012 and continued intermittently through last fall, expanded into a steady and much heavier flow late last year, the data shows. It has grown to include more than 160 military cargo flights by Jordanian, Saudi and Qatari military-style cargo planes landing at Esenboga Airport near Ankara, and, to a lesser degree, at other Turkish and Jordanian airports.

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“Together with Jordan, Turkey is one of the countries outside the immediate theatre of Syria and
Iraq that is most at risk from Isis,” says Aaron Stein, a Turkey expert at the Royal United Services
Institute, a London think-tank. “As the US and the west ask Turkey to do more, the risks of
some kind of backlash increase.”
Isis already controls stretches of the 900km long border between the two countries, including
the now-closed crossing point at Akcakale, about 100km due north of its provisional “capital” in
Raqqa, Syria.

In recent weeks, Ismet Yilmaz, Turkey’s defence minister has repeatedly noted that Turkey is
also constrained by the hostages that Isis took when it assaulted the Turkish consulate in Mosul
in June.
“Our consulate general staff, 49 of them, are in the hands of Isis,” he said last month, stressing
that US air strikes against the jihadi group were not launched from Turkish territory. “Therefore
what we can do is limited.”
Financial Times
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/fdbe2b18-3445-11e4-b81c-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3CXzeNgM0

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This is an Arab problem, not a US problem.  ISIS is attacking Arab countries.  This isn't "jihad" against the west, it's jihad against other Muslims.

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Yes Cicero... this is ISIS and has nothing to do with Al Qaeda.  LMAO!

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In recent weeks, Ismet Yilmaz, Turkey’s defence minister has repeatedly noted that Turkey is
also constrained by the hostages that Isis took when it assaulted the Turkish consulate in Mosul
in June.
“Our consulate general staff, 49 of them, are in the hands of Isis,” he said last month, stressing
that US air strikes against the jihadi group were not launched from Turkish territory.

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I never said Al Qaeda, I said jihadists.  Read the most recent article you posted, they referred to them as "jihadi".  

Gee box, do you read the articles before you post them?  Or do you post them and then redefine them by adding and deleting words until it fits your argument?  First Paul was asking congress for funding when he clearly said permission, now this.LMAO

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Did Randy Paul or did he not say he was seeking "A DECLARATION OF WAR" from Congress?

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Last Friday, Rand Paul  told the Associated Press that if he were president, he "would lay out the reasoning of why ISIS is a threat to our national security and seek congressional authorization to destroy ISIS militarily." Although that statement was widely interpreted as an endorsement of military action against ISIS, it  seemed to me that the libertarian-leaning Kentucky senator might have been merely reiterating his view of what the president should do if he determines that ISIS is a threat to national security. But during an  interview with Sean Hannity on Fox News last night, Paul made it clear that he is ready to wage war on ISIS:


Hannity: We have ISIS saying, "We'll see you in New York. We're going to raise the flag of Islam in the White House." And now they have beheaded two Americans. Have they declared war on us?

Paul: Yeah, without question, they are a threat. And in the past, you know, Hillary Clinton has said ISIS is not a threat to the United States.

Hannity: Is that a declaration of war? In other words, the 9/11 Commission  report said, after 9/11, they were at war with us; we were at war with them. Has ISIS declared war against us through their actions?

Paul: Absolutely. And I think what we should do is come to the American people....If I had been president, I would have called a joint session of Congress this August, called everybody back from recess, and said, "This is why ISIS is a threat to the country. This is why I want to act, but I want to do it in a constitutional manner, and I want the entire American public to come together." To galvanize support and say, "You know, this is something we can't take. We're not gonna let our enemies behead our journalists. We're not gonna let them become strong enough to attack our embassy."

On Tuesday I asked, "Does Rand Paul think the beheading of American journalists justifies war against ISIS?" The answer, it seems, is yes. Since American journalists, students, businessmen, and diplomats live and work in nearly every country on Earth, this strikes me as a dangerously open-ended rationale for military intervention. Furthermore, the certainty that Paul now expresses about the threat posed by ISIS was not at all apparent at a  Q&A session in Dallas last Friday. Here is what he said at that event, which was sponsored by the Republican Liberty Caucus:


I think the strategy has to be that you have an open debate in the country over whether or not ISIS is a threat to our national security. And it's not enough just to say they are. That's usually what you hear—you hear a conclusion. People say, "Well, it's a threat to our national security." That's a conclusion. The debate has to be: Are they a threat to our national security?

Just a few hours later, Paul made his statement to the Associated Press, which in light of his comments on Hannity signaled his support for a war that aims to "destroy ISIS militarily." At that point Paul, who earlier in the day had presented himself as undecided on the question of whether ISIS poses a threat that justifies war, was firmly convinced that it does. The sudden evaporation of Paul's doubts reeks of political desperation. As Hannity noted, Paul is eager to shed the "isolationist" label, and this is his opportunity.

To his credit, Paul insists that any military action against ISIS must be authorized by Congress, and he continues to highlight the unintended consequences of U.S. intervention in Libya and Syria (as he did on Hannity). Furthermore, his endorsement of war against ISIS may provoke an illuminating debate among libertarians and others who tend to be skeptical of foreign intervention about what counts as a threat to national security. But given his sudden conversion and the weakness of the reasons he has offered, it is hard to take Paul seriously on the subject.

Addendum: In a Time essay posted today, Paul cites, in addition to the safety of the American embassy in Iraq, "the plight of massacred Christians and Muslim minorities" as a justification for war against ISIS, which he describes as "a global threat." Now he is getting even further afield from something that could legitimately be described as a threat to U.S. national security. In Dallas last week, Paul ridiculed President Obama's justification for war in Libya, which hinged on the threat that Muammar al-Qaddafi's forces posed to the residents of Benghazi. Why is "the plight of massacred Christians and Muslim minorities" a more valid argument for attacking ISIS in Iraq? "A more realistic foreign policy," Paul  wrote in The Wall Street Journal last week, "would recognize that there are evil people and tyrannical regimes in this world, but also that America cannot police or solve every problem across the globe." Paul still has not explained why the problem of ISIS is one the U.S. has to solve.

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The main source of the lies about me that were told by Congressman William Lacy Clay (D-Big Banks) at Congressman Ron Paul’s Fed hearing on February 9 was the far left-wing, big government-worshipping hate group known as the Southern Poverty Law Center. Referring to one of its laughingly-named "intelligence reports," the SPLC misinformed Clay that I "work for" an alleged "hate group" called The League of the South. I do not, and never have. (I did lecture to some summer seminar students about nineteenth century economic policy at the invitation of Professors Donald Livingston of Emory University and Clyde Wilson of the University of South Carolina over a decade ago under the auspices of the League of the South Institute, which they were trying to get started. Hate was not one of the lecture topics at that summer seminar for students).