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Box A Rox
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I do, I don't support the government being involved on private sales though, I made that point many of times. Its not the governments business if I sell a gun to a life long friend or relative.


So the rest of us have do live with the consequences of YOUR actions.  


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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I wouldn't feel safe, and I would be heavily armed if I lived in that area.  The crime in that area should not
be allowed to flourish and continue.  

The Police are here to Protect and Serve... that neighborhood is a prime example of the police either
being unwilling or unable to handle the problem.

Would you all support more tax dollars to concentrate a force on that neighborhood?  Would you
support more tax dollars to hire more cops to be on patrol only in that neighborhood??


Hell no Schenectady is one of the most heavily taxed cities in NY, revenue is not the problem here, spending and lack of action is. I give cops a hard time because of this, they're to busy with worrying about revenue collecting and victimless crimes then dealing with the real crimes which have victims. If police would spend more time and effort on real crimes I think they could make some difference, a bigger difference could be made by eliminating non-violent and victimless crimes and refocusing their efforts.



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So the rest of us have do live with the consequences of YOUR actions.  


So you never bought a gun from your friend or inherited Grand dads old 12guage? Are you saying you never bought a gun without a background check?


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Hell no Schenectady is one of the most heavily taxed cities in NY, revenue is not the problem here, spending and lack of action is. I give cops a hard time because of this, they're to busy with worrying about revenue collecting and victimless crimes then dealing with the real crimes which have victims. If police would spend more time and effort on real crimes I think they could make some difference, a bigger difference could be made by eliminating non-violent and victimless crimes and refocusing their efforts.



Police allocation is a political matter.  If local politicians decide to protect a high crime area, then the
police must follow that directive.  Your problem isn't with the police but with local politicians who
allow the area to be unprotected.

You do realize that a cop doesn't just wander the area looking for cime... they are assigned an area or
a specific task to preform.  


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I'm not going to place the blame for the deteriorated conditions on Hamilton Hill on our police force. All our neighborhoods, equally, have had to deal with a problematic, dysfunctional police force, for decades, but all our citizens to not shoot each other. I would not support more tax dollars to concentrate a force in that neighborhood, would I support not giving money to rich non-residents and instead spending it where it is needed? What have I been saying, all this time? Didn't Hillary Clinton come up with some money for that area? Where did that go?
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So you never bought a gun from your friend or inherited Grand dads old 12guage? Are you saying you never bought a gun without a background check?


I never had to go through a background check except for my pistol permit.

All my guns were purchased before the laws applied.   If I were buying one today, I'd expect to follow the law
and comply.  Wouldn't you?


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I never had to go through a background check except for my pistol permit.

All my guns were purchased before the laws applied.   If I were buying one today, I'd expect to follow the law
and comply.  Wouldn't you?


Point being do you feel it is necessary now for you to get a background check, did anything change with you or did just the law change. If you are a law abiding citizen I would trust you with purchasing a gun from your close friend, that should be between you and him because you trust each other, the government doesn't need to know about your purchase.


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So the rest of us have do live with the consequences of YOUR actions.  


What consequences?


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Point being do you feel it is necessary now for you to get a background check, did anything change with you or did just the law change. If you are a law abiding citizen I would trust you with purchasing a gun from your close friend, that should be between you and him because you trust each other, the government doesn't need to know about your purchase.


Again... I can sell a gun to a known psychopath who I know to be deranged... and the rest of you
will have to live with the consequences of MY actions.
or
There can be universal background checks for all purchases.


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If only the original owners of the stolen, illegal handguns had bought them through gun shows with background checks... wait, what am I saying?
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Again... I can sell a gun to a known psychopath who I know to be deranged... and the rest of you
will have to live with the consequences of MY actions.
or
There can be universal background checks for all purchases.


So you need verification from the government to make sure your life long friend or brother is not a nutcase...wow


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If only the original owners of the stolen, illegal handguns had bought them through gun shows with background checks... wait, what am I saying?


Exactly


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If only the original owners of the stolen, illegal handguns had bought them through gun shows with background checks... wait, what am I saying?

That is true.  If stolen guns could be traced back to their original (legal) owners, police work would be much
easier.  Often guns used in crimes are found, but there is no federal data base to link this gun to other known
crimes, making tracking the criminals much more difficult.

Many states don't require legal owners to report stolen guns.


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So madam x, do you disagree with universal background checks on gun sales?  
Most Americans and the vast majority of the NRA agree with background checks for all weapons
sales.  

At many gun shows, you don't need a background check to buy a gun.  If your address is an insane
asylum, and you've been diagnosed as a psychopath, which would show up on a background check,
all you would need is the money to purchase any gun.  Just walk into the gun show, put down the $$$
and walk out with an assault rifle.

Giffords is working to close the Gun Show background check loophole that exists in many states.  


soooooooo, what you are saying is that the explosion of mental health diagnosis from school age and up are all validated
by experts who are NOT swayed by public/political shifting? that the system is immune from large large large
numbers of 'mistakes', we wouldn't want to call them errors now would we.

we must be careful where we tread here...as much as you dislike religion is as much as I dislike mental health/medical and
criminal connections, which in all actuality sounds like religion and for some reason you think your reason is the plumb line.
or do you prefer the 'mass think' type of political/legislative/legal religion?

there is NO SUCH THING AS PRE-CRIME....how about regardless of the murderer it's a crime and they deserve the
consequence handed down.....

how about those poor poor folks that are on services with their lives at the whim of the government who tells them
the amount they are allowed to spend on food....no limit on EBT service so they 'go wild'....who's the criminal here?

the systems inability to pre-teach, pre-employ, pre-birth control, pre-WHAT would have prevented the human from
committing the crime??????? or is it the person who did the crime(without any other issue prior) who gets punished?
or is it walmart's issue for not protecting their inventory and making it sooooooo enticing?

background checks are just as stupid as asking to have kindergardeners fingerprinted in case they are abducted....

are we dusting walmarts all across the country to look for an abducted kid? there is no pre-crime....

class 101...SUCK 'EM IN WITH FEAR


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Tracking the criminals? You find the original owner, and it makes police work easier? Gee, I did not know that. So, you report your gun stolen, and down the road, it is used to shoot someone in Schenectady, and they don't know who did the shooting, but somehow they can tell that the bullets that they may or may not find came from a gun stolen from some other place, so that helps to solve the crime? Or prevent it? I don't get it, just like I don't get how Proctor's is "good for" Schenectady.
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