Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
Double Standard in Society
Rotterdam NY...the people's voice    Rotterdam's Virtual Internet Community     Chit Chat About Anything  ›  Double Standard in Society Moderators: Admin
Users Browsing Forum
Googlebot and 89 Guests

Double Standard in Society  This thread currently has 641 views. |
1 Pages 1 Recommend Thread
Madam X
October 6, 2013, 2:22pm Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
3,190
Reputation
66.67%
Reputation Score
+8 / -4
Time Online
26 days 9 hours 21 minutes
Driving around the city today, I went past a residential rehab facility and noticed a bunch of young men standing outside. We have a lot of these places around. The idea is, they have a problem they can't get a handle on, they get taken into care, until they are "whole" again, and able to stand on their own two feet. There seems to be an awful lot of money floating around for this kind of thing.
Why then, a young woman in the throes of psychosis, she gets maybe a doctor visit, a bag of pills, and instructions to come back maybe if she notices if she's lost her mind? Why isn't someone like that entitled to custodial care, until she can get restored to health? You see it all the time, these "crazy" people, it is a myth that they don't want to be in a hospital, they go around seeking help, just not in a normal way, because they aren't in their right minds. That navy yard shooter, he got in touch with "authorities", in his own mind, this woman was driving toward government, wasn't she? Remember that young kid that Gary McCarthy mocked, because he was acting strange at a city council meeting? They know they need help, they are too sick to go about getting it in a normal fashion, and even if they did, they wouldn't receive enough help. So how come drug addicts get to have treatment in a safe environment, and other people who need help get either the streets or jail?
Logged Offline
Private Message
senders
October 6, 2013, 6:12pm Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
29,348
Reputation
70.97%
Reputation Score
+22 / -9
Time Online
1574 days 2 hours 22 minutes
'locking up' 'sick' people under the guise of cure/help or whatever is a dangerous line to draw....

society can pick out a drug addict/food addict/alcoholic etc etc and has a plan....so we think....

..what we like to do is say "This is how you fix it. now listen to me and follow these rules it'll be good for you."

there are strange standards and we create/accept and tolerate only those most palatable


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 1 - 8
Cel
October 6, 2013, 10:14pm Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
695
Reputation
81.82%
Reputation Score
+9 / -2
Time Online
71 days 6 hours 25 minutes
Some powerful truths presented.

The mental health systems in this country are broken.  But even broken things can be fixed.  I have hope.

"what we like to do is say "This is how you fix it. now listen to me and follow these rules it'll be good for you."  Unfortunately Senders you are correct but change is occurring and more is coming.

A person with a mental illness needs to be treated with respect for being a person, a human being not a diagnosis.  This respect means treating the whole person. Physical health and mental health.  They go hand and hand.

A new way to address the illnesses is work together with the person with the illness. Don't tell them what they have to do instead treat them with respect for being an adult and encourage them and using every option available to show them how wellness can be achieved.  From the use of medicine if needed, therapy, education, family support and talking with others who are living with a mental illness too to hear how they are succeeding in their lives.

So now folks realize attending to the whole person physical and mental health and not just try to find a way to stop the symptoms and making zombies of folks is leading to folks getting their lives back. Going back to school, work, owning homes and businesses something unable to be done before while zombied out on potent psychiatric medications.  Medications may still be needed to manage the illnesses but better ones and not handed out like candy.  It is using everything together that brings wellness. Treat the whole person.

This concept of shared decision making and showing respect to adults is being proved out all across the country that this new approach referred to as Recovery works.  Don't confuse this with Recovery from addictions and the 12 step programs this "Recovery" is include as part or this Recovery approach to wellness. that too.  

It is very basic, show me respect, hear my pleas, work with me to help me get well.   The MH industry is now realizing ordering someone to "do" does not work for most folks.

Who goes around saying "I want a mental illness" It isn't a choice, it just is and a person has to learn how to live with it and still be able to live their lives to the fullest.  Being parents and working etc etc.

The MH system is a mess leave it to government to help create this big time.  Fed, States Medicaid etc etc.  Leave it to health insurance companies refusal to pay for services for mental health.

What Gary McCarthy said is a reality many with mental illness are exposed to.  A person with a mental illness has to live with stigma at home, from family no kidding, from co-workers, friends in school, from neighbors. Is denied housing or jobs the Stigma is deafening .

Our veterans are now dying on their own country's soil because of two things.  The government is not attending to their mental health needs and stigma and the  lack of education about mental illness.

Bring Mental Illness out in the open.  Lets talk about them.  Let's learn about them.  

A couple weeks back Mayor McCarthy signed two resolutions recognizing families with loved ones with a mental illness and folks living with the illnesses for their work in education about mental illness helping to reduce the stigma. I give him kudos.  I am sure he has thought about that night he spoke out as the City Council president.  He isn't a stupid man.  He just was uneducated like we all are is some area or another.  We all stigmatize one thing or another.  But as we become educated that stigmatizing starts to be reduced.

I don't want to see brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, nieces and nephews, husbands and wives, grandsons and grand daughters take their lives shooting themselves, overdosing on pills, jumping off bridges because shame and stigma about having PTSD, Major Depression both of which can include psychosis etc caused them to not reach out for help.

Ellis Medicine is not to enthusiastic about being the mental health clinic for the county and low income community.   The money they get from Medicaid to provide the services barely covers the cost. Therefore the needed mental health services aren't there.  The lines are long for those who are poor.  Hey, it could be the the person who lost their job at GE who no longer can pay the taxes and mortgage who becomes part of that poor population and have to use Medicaid. Unless they are at the extremes of the illness most likely they will not see a mental health provider for months meanwhile the illness grow like a cancer consuming them and for some it kills them.

Much more money has always been given to those addicted to drugs and alcohol.  Even the director of the Federal Substance abuse and Mental Health department  SAMHSA admitted to congress 70% or all funding they put into the addictions programs and grants and only 30% goes towards mental health care.  

NYS is not to much different although I don't have the percentages but there is no doubt in anyone's mind Addictions gets a heck of a lot money then mental health care in our state. Once our state merges both into one agency mental health will be squashed even more.  The balance is way out of whack.  That is why we see so many addictions houses etc. and meanwhile folks wait in line to get mental health help when they are pleading for it.  Go figure.

National Depression Screening Day®  October 10, 2013  Take an anonymous depression screening. http://www.helpyourselfhelpothers.org/

National Suicide Prevention Lifeline
1-800-273-TALK (8255)
Are you feeling desperate, alone or hopeless?

Ellis Medicine Crisis Information Referral Hotline
(51 243-3300
24 Hours, 7 Days a week.

These services are available for in-person mental health assessments in the Emergency Room, for telephone counseling, referral and to aid in psychiatric emergencies.

Let's start to talk about mental illness.  Bring it out into the light.  Maybe it will lead to improvements to the broken system and when someone pleas for help they will get it.






 photo 2638fd00-86e6-4c66-b1b8-2797c94842c5_zpsmkuzazbt.jpg
Logged
Private Message Reply: 2 - 8
rpforpres
October 7, 2013, 3:49am Report to Moderator

Hero Member
Posts
3,891
Reputation
89.47%
Reputation Score
+17 / -2
Time Online
113 days 4 hours 29 minutes
Quoted Text
A person with a mental illness needs to be treated with respect for being a person, a human being not a diagnosis.  This respect means treating the whole person. Physical health and mental health.  They go hand and hand.


Cel thank you for very powerful and truthful words and information on where to get help.

I have some opinions also I'd like to share.

Many times men feel they have to be tough and they don't seek help which is a dam shame.

And many times woman will seek help, only to be told all of her issues are in her head, she's handed a script and sent on her way.

In my own "case" yes I have suffered from anxiety, depression and PTSD most of my life.  When some physical symptoms crept in doctor after doctor
would just say "its your anxiety" and leave it at that. I knew it was more and after years of this diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.

The past few years has been hell on the mental health system and patients. The stigma has increased.

And Governor Cuomo is shutting down MANY upstate residential care places for children and teens who need services very much, sending them down to
NYC, and many are ending up on the streets.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 3 - 8
Cel
October 7, 2013, 5:18am Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
695
Reputation
81.82%
Reputation Score
+9 / -2
Time Online
71 days 6 hours 25 minutes
rpforprs  It is so sad what is occurring to our youth.  The abuse of strong psychotropic medications among the young is frightening.  

I came across this video, it is powerful.  All any one of us want in life is the live our lives to the fullest we can.  To make life worthwhile living.

http://hopeworkscommunity.wordpress.com/2013/10/06/no-health-without-mental-health/


 photo 2638fd00-86e6-4c66-b1b8-2797c94842c5_zpsmkuzazbt.jpg
Logged
Private Message Reply: 4 - 8
Patches
October 7, 2013, 8:05am Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
4,839
Reputation
63.16%
Reputation Score
+12 / -7
Time Online
40 days 11 hours 18 minutes



from someone who knows what the "mental" system is about....the doctors are in cahoots with pharmasutical  ( companies.....they push the pills

create all kinds of cocktails......and expect that this person will survive....see a psychiatrist once a month....maybe a therapist sometime in between...

the mental system doesn't work and even in this area.....so while the info was well received...it is a myth that a person with mental problems can

actually survive and be somewhat normal.......it's a problem that will never be resolved in the right way.....
Logged
Private Message Reply: 5 - 8
senders
October 7, 2013, 3:03pm Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
29,348
Reputation
70.97%
Reputation Score
+22 / -9
Time Online
1574 days 2 hours 22 minutes
the problem is that NO ONE KNOWS WHAT BEING MENTALLY HEALTHY IS....

as a human being born into the system/society that is, if I am 'different', and by that I mean having different feelings/perceptions
etc about what the 'standard' is automatically it is wrong....why? I'm not going to 'feel bad' because a system labels me as
different no matter how sad/angry/depressed/guilty/etc I feel....they are mine and I own them which means I AM ALIVE....
but a human born into the system is automatically chastised for being a new human and molded into the one church/state/parents
/family etc say is 'normal'....are there true chemical issues...you betcha...but they have to prove it and they have difficulty
doing that...and YES the docs and big pharma and FDA are all very aware of the $$$ trail.....

DRUG CLASS AND MECHANISM: Quetiapine is an oral atypical antipsychotic drug used for treating schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Although the mechanism of action of quetiapine is unknown, like other atypical anti-psychotics, it inhibits communication among nerves of the brain. It does this by blocking receptors on the nerves for several neurotransmitters, the chemicals that nerves use to communicate with each other. It is thought that its beneficial effect is due to blocking of the dopamine type 2 (D2) and serotonin type 2 (5-HT2) receptors. The FDA approved quetiapine in September 1997.


"The Unforgiven"

New blood joins this earth,
And quickly he's subdued.
Through constant pained disgrace
The young boy learns their rules.

With time the child draws in.
This whipping boy done wrong.
Deprived of all his thoughts
The young man struggles on and on.

He's known a vow unto his own,
That never from this day
His will they'll take away.

What I've felt,
What I've known
Never shined through in what I've shown.
Never be.
Never see.
Won't see what might have been.

What I've felt,
What I've known
Never shined through in what I've shown.
Never free.
Never me.
So I dub thee unforgiven.

They dedicate their lives
To running all of his.
He tries to please them all –
This bitter man he is.

Throughout his life the same –
He's battled constantly.
This fight he cannot win –
A tired man they see no longer cares.

The old man then prepares
To die regretfully –
That old man here is me.

What I've felt,
What I've known
Never shined through in what I've shown.
Never be.
Never see.
Won't see what might have been.

What I've felt,
What I've known
Never shined through in what I've shown.
Never free.
Never me.
So I dub thee unforgiven.

[Solo]

What I've felt,
What I've known
Never shined through in what I've shown.
Never be.
Never see.
Won't see what might have been.

What I've felt,
What I've known
Never shined through in what I've shown.
Never free.
Never me.
So I dub thee unforgiven.

Never free.
Never me.
So I dub thee unforgiven.

You labelled me,
I'll label you.
So I dub thee unforgiven.

Never free.
Never me.
So I dub thee unforgiven.

You labelled me,
I'll label you.
So I dub thee unforgiven.

Never free.
Never me.
So I dub thee unforgiven.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 6 - 8
Cel
October 8, 2013, 1:08am Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
695
Reputation
81.82%
Reputation Score
+9 / -2
Time Online
71 days 6 hours 25 minutes
Senders  

I once heard a person say "if my life is one of mental "Wellness" as as result of psychotropic medications "I would rather have a shorter life lived with quality than a longer life lived in misery".  That is the choicea person withserious mental illness has.

Weight gain, Cardiac issues, Stokes and Death from improper or poor monitoring by physicians who are overworked and something I am seeing more and more of Type II Diabetes.

The World Health Organizations has determined that those with a mental illness using a "public mental health" system, the poor, live 25 years less than folks without a mental illness.  Then you add the Stigma... denial of jobs and housing, ridicule, families disowning a person, loss of the freedom of speech and choice.  A person would never ask to have a mental illness that's for sure.


 photo 2638fd00-86e6-4c66-b1b8-2797c94842c5_zpsmkuzazbt.jpg
Logged
Private Message Reply: 7 - 8
senders
October 8, 2013, 3:33am Report to Moderator
Hero Member
Posts
29,348
Reputation
70.97%
Reputation Score
+22 / -9
Time Online
1574 days 2 hours 22 minutes
what were once deemed as normal human feelings, actions/reactions are now a mental illness (not all the time, but a lot of the time)....you can't sit still concentrate and do your math...there MUST be something wrong with you, how shall you be molded into a cog
and be a successful contributing human-cog in the system?

it just pisses me off when the system labels humans in public schools and yet the banter between those kids isn't allowed because
it's zero tolerance and there must be something wrong with you and we will label you.

the spirit of the human is attacked/labeled and hung out to dry in the public arena...

shame on us....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 8 - 8
1 Pages 1 Recommend Thread
|


Thread Rating
There is currently no rating for this thread