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Box A Rox
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How Ted Cruz saw the GOP shutdown:
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Sen. Ted Cruz today blasted members of his own party after he said that they wasted a
“remarkable victory” by making a deal with Democrats to re-open the government
and avert a default on U.S. debt by raising the nation’s credit limit.




The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Cost of The GOP TeaBagger Govt Shutdown:

Congress’s budget battles have cost the economy $700 billion so far

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A new report from Macroeconomic Advisers argues that Congress's budget fights,
debt-ceiling stand-offs, and spending cuts have cost the U.S. economy nearly 3 percent
of GDP since 2010.
That's roughly $700 billion in lost economic activity and more than 2 million lost jobs
— all thanks to Congress.


Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....ezra-klein&clsrd


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Cost of The GOP TeaBagger Govt Shutdown:

Congress’s budget battles have cost the economy $700 billion so far



Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....ezra-klein&clsrd

when an entity no one has heard of wants to be known, it puts out a shock story like this one..
Poo-pooing cutting deficit spending makes me question the motive, and the "report"
Even the Post has problems with these claims.... it's built on a lot of assumptions, not facts.. It might as well be in the Enquirer...


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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when an entity no one has heard of wants to be known, it puts out a shock story like this one..
Even the Post has problems with these claims.... it's built on a lot of assumptions, not facts.. It might as well be in the Enquirer...

Sure... Shoot the messenger!


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Sure... Shoot the messenger!


Sure, don't question the messenger....
Box, do you believe EVERYTHING you read? or just what fits your belief structure?.. how are you any different than the Fox bots you make fun of?


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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Sure, don't question the messenger....
Box, do you believe EVERYTHING you read?


If you're really interested, read the following:

The Cost of Crisis-Driven Fiscal Policy
Prepared by
Macroeconomic Advisers, LLC
For the
Peter G. Peterson Foundation
October 2013


http://pgpf.org/sites/default/files/10112013_crisis_driven_report_fullreport.pdf


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When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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I know a local businessman who was a 'moderate' Republican.  He had a pre existing condition and
couldn't afford health insurance.
The few insurance companies that would insure him wanted thousands a month in premiums and
the policy had a $10,000 deductible.

He managed (after several tries) to sign up for ObamaCare.  As of Jan 1 he will have health insurance
for the first time in decades.

He's now voting Democrat, both because of the success of ObamaCare and because of the Republican
opposition to it.

He, and many like him are not your "FREE STUFF" Americans.  They are good people without health
care options, until NOW.



because the medicine isn't guaranteed....it's always a very very very short investment.....health care is individual
health insurance is a product.....

radiating a human IS NOT a guaranteed cure and causes other health issues that need 'fixing' but the snake oil
salesman wont tell you that...if he did your portfolio would surely drop in value.....

it's a machine to keep people sick on fake food only to be shuffled into the medical tunnel lined with big pharma
and big business....national healthcare isn't a cure it's just renaming the road to death....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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if we can get rid of 'preventative medicine' we could afford our emergent fixes.....people fail to take care of themselves long
before they hit the doctor...and it's not for lack of knowing,,,,humans in this type of society are lazy and make choices
in diet/exercise and basic human body living that may not agree with that person but does nothing to their neighbor....
that's OK...but national health insurance and all the crestor/viagra/humera/adderall/paxil/seroquel etc in the world does NOT fix the
cause...they are dangerous bandaids to what is truly ailing us........


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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our company had to go to a meeting to discuss the new healthcare system....all i can say is OMG!!!

you folks don't have a clue how massively expensive this is going to cost each and every one of us!!!

wait till 3 years from now.....IT'S GONNA BLOW YOUR SOCKS OFF!!!

just a small example....not only will there be a federal fee/tax....there will also be a state fee/tax...which varies from state to state ON TOP of the premium. Deductibles and/or premiums will rise substantially yearly. Small businesses can get a tax break if they pay 50% or higher for their employees health insurance. And even tho the tax break will decrease yearly...the business will still be mandated to pay 50%. Some private insurance companies are mandated NOT to offer individual coverage. They MUST go to the exchange.

And I am NOT kidding!!! HONEST!!! There is soooooooooooooo much more.....OMG!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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The government shutdown is dead. Obamacare is alive.

The Senate voted 81 to 18 Wednesday night to reopen the federal government and raise the nation's borrowing limit.

The House was expected to follow, ending the latest damaging battle of divided government in a polarized Congress.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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John Kenneth Galbraith

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It's the Kentucky Kickback.
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The McConnell-Reid bill not only funds Obamacare and suspends the debt limit,
it ALSO includes a provision in Section 123 that increases the authorization for the
Olmsted Lock in Kentucky from $775 million to nearly $3 billion.
[quote]In exchange for funding Obamacare and raising the debt limit, Mitch McConnell has
secured a $2 billion earmark.


This is an insult to all the Kentucky families who don't want to pay for Obamacare and don't
want to shoulder any more debt.


McConnell may try to blame someone else for this, but he wrote the bill and it's not the first time
he has sought funds for this project. He also requested $100 million for it in 2010.

This is what's wrong with Washington and it's what's wrong with Mitch McConnell.


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They all spent MORE.  It increased under every President in the graphs.  What is so hard to understand?  Maybe you didn't mean they cut, but spent less quickly, since I never seen the national debt go down.

Just be honest, you can admit that they are all spending increases.  Just say democrats will increase spending less quickly than the Republicans historically.  But don't be dishonest and try to say an increase in spending is a spending cut.  



The deficit had it's first growth spurt during the Reagan years.

He talked about trickle down and decentralization of government.

He cut taxes for the rich creating more investment, but he failed to reduce the federal government one tiny bit.

In fact he grew the government larger.

The government along with the new enlarged government spending has outgrown the revenues by miles.

They keep getting more credit cards in the mail from China, and can't stop activating them, then max them out as quick as they can.


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House Vote 550 - Passes Senate Budget Compromise

198 Dem  87 Rep, Total Yes - 285.  (215 needed to pass)
   0 Dem 144 Rep, Total  No - 144.



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