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And even with all that they still kill or injure about the same, amazing isn't it.


...and without guns, people will stop wanting to commit suicide.  Gun control is magic.  Box actually supports controlled suicide.  He's not against it, you just can't do it with a gun, and without the permission of the state.  Just like he supports controlled homicide, as long as you have been trained and permitted by the state to do it, it's fine(cops/soldiers) He's not against car accidents, so long as you have been permitted by the state to drive the car.

The world just make sense to him this way.  When it's done without state oversight, it's ANARCHY!


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Stupid with a car?  Yea we regulate that.  DWI, reckless driving, mandatory vision tests, mandatory
insurance, testing before issuing a license... We take reasonable precautions.
With Guns?  All you need is the money to pay the NRA bosses.


pssst!.....insurance IS NOT a precaution........it is shared sorrow/guilt


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Stand Your Ground Laws:
More Homicides
Don't Deter Crime

Homicides increase under the "castle doctrine" or Stand Your Ground laws, according
to two studies published since 2012, while the laws do not appear to deter crime in any significant
way.

Researchers at Georgia State and Texas A&M universities used different methodologies and
data sources to reach their conclusions, but they ended up in the same place: More people
are killed after these laws are passed.

Researchers at Texas A&M University, for a study published in the Journal of Human Resources,
concluded that homicides had increased by 8 percent in the more than 20 states that had passed
"castle doctrine" laws, many of which include Stand Your Ground provisions. That equals
600 additional homicides every year in those states, they wrote.

At the same time, however, the researchers found no detectable decrease in burglary,
robbery or aggravated assault.

http://econweb.tamu.edu/mhoekstra/castle_doctrine.pdf
http://ftp.iza.org/dp6705.pdf


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The laws were not to deter crime, no law does that, the law was made so people could protect themselves and their property end of story. Amazing how some like box want the good guy to be the victim.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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The laws were not to deter crime, no law does that, the law was made so people could protect themselves and their property end of story. Amazing how some like box want the good guy to be the victim.


HUH!  You should take it up with the two colleges who did studies on this topic.  
Perhaps you could enlighten them.


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...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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all you are doing is validating war....

it's OK for some fellow humans to be considered 'experts' about who/what/when/where to use guns and other weapons...

you're basically saying that humans are to stupid but the government is smarter and should usurp all the power....

"voluntary compliance"

you give a lot of weight over to the other side of the fulcrum.....interesting....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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HUH!  You should take it up with the two colleges who did studies on this topic.  
Perhaps you could enlighten them.




"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Bullets stop the criminals, the victims, the innocent, the children, the cops,  those just
passing by...  Bullets stop everyone, not just criminals.  



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Guns accounted for more deaths in Vermont in 2011 than motor vehicle accidents,
a first-time occurrence that national gun control groups say is proof stricter laws
regulating gun purchase and ownership are needed.

According to a study released this week by the Violence Policy Center in Washington
D.C., Vermont had 78 gun deaths in 2011, compared to 54 fatal car accidents as
reported by the Governor's Highway Safety Program.

In all, gun deaths outpaced motor vehicle deaths in 14 states, the study found.
Vermont was a first-time addition to the list.


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Bullets stop the criminals, the victims, the innocent, the children, the cops,  those just
passing by...  Bullets stop everyone, not just criminals.  
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Yup and laws don't stop the ones you want stopped, especially when they're a threat to the victims, innocent, children, those passing by. As you know things like the death penalty and tougher prison sentences don't deter crime either, so what's your plan on stopping those who should be stopped.


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Guns accounted for more deaths in Vermont in 2011 than motor vehicle accidents,
a first-time occurrence that national gun control groups say is proof stricter laws
regulating gun purchase and ownership are needed.

According to a study released this week by the Violence Policy Center in Washington
D.C., Vermont had 78 gun deaths in 2011, compared to 54 fatal car accidents as
reported by the Governor's Highway Safety Program.

In all, gun deaths outpaced motor vehicle deaths in 14 states, the study found.
Vermont was a first-time addition to the list.


vermont also has an exploding heroin population.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Guns accounted for more deaths in Vermont in 2011 than motor vehicle accidents,
a first-time occurrence that national gun control groups say is proof stricter laws
regulating gun purchase and ownership are needed.

According to a study released this week by the Violence Policy Center in Washington
D.C., Vermont had 78 gun deaths in 2011, compared to 54 fatal car accidents as
reported by the Governor's Highway Safety Program.

In all, gun deaths outpaced motor vehicle deaths in 14 states, the study found.
Vermont was a first-time addition to the list.


They are giving out less moose hunting permits in 2014 in Vermont too. I'm sure you can correlate moose hunting permits with gun deaths, auto accidents, and heroine use.


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Yup and laws don't stop the ones you want stopped, especially when they're a threat to the victims, innocent, children, those passing by. As you know things like the death penalty and tougher prison sentences don't deter crime either, so what's your plan on stopping those who should be stopped.


HUH!  Stopping Those Who Should Be Stopped?
Like Cliven Bundy you mean???
or
Like Timothy McVeigh?
or
Adam Lanza?

Many of the laws opposed by GunHuggers might have prevented those who "should be stopped".


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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They are giving out less moose hunting permits in 2014 in Vermont too.
I'm sure you can correlate moose hunting permits with gun deaths, auto accidents, and heroine use.


Um.. No I can't.  But I'm sure that you can!  


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