Would you care to put up Illinois stats Box also a blue state with the strictest gun laws.
Sure Shadow, I'd be happy to. See the list below:
State Firearm Death Rates, Ranked by Rate, 2011 Rank State Rate 1 Louisiana 18.91 2 Mississippi 17.80 3 Alaska 17.41 4 Wyoming 16.92 5 Montana 16.74 6 Oklahoma 16.60 7 Alabama 16.34 8 Arkansas 15.72 9 South Carolina 15.09 10 West Virginia 14.99 11 Arizona 14.91 12 Tennessee 14.81 13 New Mexico 14.72 14 Missouri 14.21 15 Kentucky 14.13 16 Nevada 13.82 17 Georgia 12.56 18 Florida 12.46 19 Vermont 12.45 20 Idaho 12.12 21 North Carolina 11.96 22 Michigan 11.70 23 Kansas 11.46 24 Pennsylvania 11.28 25 Colorado 11.20 26 Utah 10.94 27 Oregon 10.86 28 Virginia 10.71 29 Ohio 10.63 30 Maine 10.24 31 Texas 10.14 32 Indiana 9.79 33 Maryland 9.28 34 Washington 9.15 35 North Dakota 8.91 36 Nebraska 8.74 37 Illinois 8.66 38 South Dakota 8.62 39 Delaware 8.48 40 California 7.97 41 Wisconsin 7.79 42 Minnesota 7.41 43 Iowa 7.18 44 New Hampshire 6.98 45 Connecticut 5.85 46 New Jersey 5.46 47 New York 5.11 48 Massachusetts 3.84 49 Hawaii 3.56 50 Rhode Island 3.14
Illinois, (A BLUE STATE) is the 14th safest state in the USA. In fact, the top 17 or 18 states in gun death rate are RED STATES.
Your pick Shadow... Illinois (A BLUE STATE), is HALF THE GUN DEATH RATE OF Louisiana, Mississippi or Alaska... (ALL RED STATES)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
California and Texas tops the list for the states with the most firearm-related murders, according to data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
In 2011, there were 1,220 murders involving a firearm in California, the FBI’s Crime in the United States 2011 report reveals. Firearms accounted for 68.1 percent of all murders in the state. All other incidents involving knives or cutting instruments, other weapons, or hands, fist, or feet (including pushing) account for 31.8 percent of the homicides in California.
Behind California is Texas, with 699 firearm-related murders, or 64 percent of all murders.
Ranked third is Pennsylvania whose murder total related to guns is 470, a higher percentage (73.8 percent of all murders) than California and Texas. Every other non-firearm related murder was in the double digits.
A little more than half (57.4 percent) of all murders in New York are gun-related (445). Yet, although as a percentage of all murders gun-related murders are lower than Pennsylvania, overall, the Empire State had 774 murders occur within its borders in 2011 (compared to Pennsylvania’s 636).
In Michigan, 450 murders were gun-related. Over half of those (59.3 percent) were related to handguns.
In Connecticut, where the December 2012 Sandyhook Elementary School shooting that left 26 people dead happened, there were 128 murders and 94 of them involved guns. In Hawaii, there were only seven murders and one involved a firearm. In Vermont, there were eight murders and half involved a firearm. Vermont and Hawaii had the least amount of gun-related murders in 2011. http://politic365.com/2012/12/18/gun-control-the-top-10-states-with-firearm-related-murders/
Yes Shadow... Chicago is a dangerous place, even with good gun laws there. But why??? There is a pipeline from the south (Mississippi) where guns (and sometimes drugs) are run north to Chicago where there is a constant market for guns, even at a 150% markup in price.
Good gun laws in Illinois are being defeated by NO GUN LAWS in the South. Now if those laws were FEDERAL GUN LAWS and Mississippi had the same regulations as Illinoise... Then likely Chicago would be much safer, and Louisiana and Mississippi would not be on the Top Of The GUN DEATH STATES!
We all read about shootings and gun deaths in Schdy or Albany or NYC. Can you picture what it's like in Mississippi and Louisiana where the Gun Death Rate is 3 times higher than in NY???
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Where there's a demand (and money), there WILL be a market. I'm not saying there shouldn't be better gun laws, but you're fooling yourself if you think there will be a significant dip in violence in cities like Chicago.. We have had FEDERAL DRUG LAWS for decades, but if I wanted, it would take me less than an hour to get just about any illegal drug.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
California and Texas tops the list for the states with the most firearm-related murders, according to data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
In 2011, there were 1,220 murders involving a firearm in California, the FBI’s Crime in the United States 2011 report reveals. Firearms accounted for 68.1 percent of all murders in the state. All other incidents involving knives or cutting instruments, other weapons, or hands, fist, or feet (including pushing) account for 31.8 percent of the homicides in California.
Behind California is Texas, with 699 firearm-related murders, or 64 percent of all murders.
Ranked third is Pennsylvania whose murder total related to guns is 470, a higher percentage (73.8 percent of all murders) than California and Texas. Every other non-firearm related murder was in the double digits.
A little more than half (57.4 percent) of all murders in New York are gun-related (445). Yet, although as a percentage of all murders gun-related murders are lower than Pennsylvania, overall, the Empire State had 774 murders occur within its borders in 2011 (compared to Pennsylvania’s 636).
In Michigan, 450 murders were gun-related. Over half of those (59.3 percent) were related to handguns.
Top 10 States with Firearm-related Murders
1. California – 1,220 2. Texas – 699 3. Pennsylvania – 470 4. New York – 445 5. Michigan – 450 6. Louisiana – 402 7. Illinois – 377 /
Come on Shadow... You are smarter than that aren't you??? OK, Maybe you're not.
What I posted is the RATE PER 100,000 citizens. What YOU posted is the number of murders. California, Texas Pennsylvania & NY. POPULATION OF THE US BY STATE: California Texas, NY, Florida, Illinois Pennsylvania... GET IT SHADOW... MORE PEOPLE MORE MURDERS but THE RATE OF MURDERS IS HIGHER IN LOUISIANA MISSISSIPPI AND ALASKA THAN IN THE MORE POPULOUS STATES.
Jezzzzzzzzzzzzz it's like teaching 3rd grade here!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Where there's a demand (and money), there WILL be a market. I'm not saying there shouldn't be better gun laws, but you're fooling yourself if you think there will be a significant dip in violence in cities like Chicago.. We have had FEDERAL DRUG LAWS for decades, but if I wanted, it would take me less than an hour to get just about any illegal drug.
Yes Tbird... where there is enough money, there will be guns for sale. Good FEDERAL gun laws will jump up the price of unregistered guns, they will be more difficult to buy and less will be available. Good gun laws are the reason that the rest of Illinois has a much lower incidents of gun deaths even with the extreme gun deaths in Chicago. Like any law... murder, rape etc, there will still be those who will murder and rape, but without those laws the number would be much higher. Same with good Federal Gun Laws.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Come on Shadow... You are smarter than that aren't you??? OK, Maybe you're not.
What I posted is the RATE PER 100,000 citizens. What YOU posted is the number of murders. California, Texas Pennsylvania & NY. POPULATION OF THE US BY STATE: California Texas, NY, Florida, Illinois Pennsylvania... GET IT SHADOW... MORE PEOPLE MORE MURDERS but THE RATE OF MURDERS IS HIGHER IN LOUISIANA MISSISSIPPI AND ALASKA THAN IN THE MORE POPULOUS STATES.
Jezzzzzzzzzzzzz it's like teaching 3rd grade here!
Actually, what you posted was the rate per 100,000 citizens of total firearms deaths, not murders... And since historically, more than 50% of all firearms deaths can be traced to suicide and accidental causes, the murder rate per 100,000 is much lower.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
Actually, what you posted was the rate per 100,000 citizens of total firearms deaths, not murders... And since historically, more than 50% of all firearms deaths can be traced to suicide and accidental causes, the murder rate per 100,000 is much lower.
My original post was about GUN DEATHS. NOT MURDERS.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
My original post was about GUN DEATHS. NOT MURDERS.
Which means the statistics you and Shadow listed can't really be debated without further analysis.
But to the point of YOUR stats, the total gun deaths...The tightening of gun laws may very well have a LESS overall effect on the majority of gun deaths, which are suicide. Why?
1, MANY people who commit suicide do not have a previous history of mental illness and/or criminal history and would not be singled out in a background check. 2. If a person did get flagged for a gun because of the above, it probably will not stop them from committing the act. The death may not show up as a gun death, but its still a death, just by a different instrument.
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
2. If a person did get flagged for a gun because of the above, it probably will not stop them from committing the act. The death may not show up as a gun death, but its still a death, just by a different instrument.
Box will go after that deadly instrument next. Sounds like box has zero tolerance for suicide. Suicide must be stopped...it infringes on his personal liberties. Box is pro choice, except in this instance.
Box will go after that deadly instrument next. Sounds like box has zero tolerance for suicide. Suicide must be stopped...it infringes on his personal liberties. Box is pro choice, except in this instance.
I'm a believer in the views of the Hemlock Society (now called Compassion & Choices). Once again... Cicero falls on his face. Is Cissy Ever Right About Anything??? Possibly... but I doubt it!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
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