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Box A Rox
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I wonder how many on the board who sides with these terrorists had the dentist put that heavy lead apron
on their body when getting a dental xray?  
Older xray machines would emit a dangerous amount of xray that were an occupational hazard for dental techs.  
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Dangers of X Rays
Because X rays can kill living cells, they must be used with extreme care. When improperly used they can
cause severe burns, cancer, leukemia, and cataracts. They can speed aging, reduce immunity to disease,
and bring about disastrous changes in the reproductive cells. Lead screens, sheets of lead-impregnated rubber,
and leaded glass are used to shield patients and technicians from undesired radiation.


This weapon, not a gun but just an XRay source, placed near a group of people could expose them to dangerous
or lethal amounts of radiation.  


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FBI Foils Plot To Build Strange X-Ray Weapon, Possibly Targeting President Obama

A New York man who allegedly wanted to kill President Obama and apparently blamed him for the recent Boston bombings has been arrested for trying to build and detonate a weapon of mass destruction.

Glendon Scott Crawford, 49, of Galway, N.Y., spent months designing and constructing an X-ray system that would emit deadly amounts of radiation and could be detonated remotely, according to the FBI. Crawford recruited Eric J. Feight, 54, of Hudson, N.Y, to join in the plot, and both were arrested Tuesday, the FBI said.

Crawford and Feight allegedly planned to hide their weapon in a truck and FBI experts said it would have been "functional" and "lethal."

According to the FBI, Crawford cited "a political figure" and a Muslim organization as "potential targets." Sources familiar with the investigation identified the "political figure" as Obama.

"Obama's policies caused this," Crawford allegedly wrote in a text message on April 15, the day a series of bombings killed three and injured scores more at the Boston marathon.

"He directed the [government] to start bringing [Muslims] here without background checks," Crawford wrote, according to the FBI. "They don't have to follow any laws, and this administration has done more to enable a government sponsored invasion than the press can cover up."

  The FBI launched an investigation into Crawford last spring after he allegedly walked into a synagogue in Albany, N.Y., and inquired about technology that could kill "Israel's enemies while they slept." The synagogue notified police, and within six weeks the FBI had a source secretly recording meetings with Crawford, according an FBI affidavit filed in the case.

In a June 2012 conversation, Crawford – described by the FBI as a member of the Ku Klux Klan – called his design "Hiroshima on a light switch," the affidavit said. And in August 2012, Crawford allegedly asked a high-ranking official in the KKK for money to fund his plot. The KKK official informed the FBI, and within weeks two undercover agents posing as KKK members were introduced to Crawford.

Over the next several months, Crawford conducted extensive research for the design, at times expressing frustration over the slow pace of the team's progress, the FBI affidavit indicated. Ultimately, with help from the undercover agents, Crawford and Feight acquired the necessary parts and even tested the device that would remotely detonate the weapon, according to the FBI. It would all be powered through a truck's cigarette lighter, the FBI said.

Crawford and Feight planned to meet Tuesday to connect the final components of their weapon, but they were arrested by the FBI.

The pair had met at GE, where Crawford was an industrial mechanic and Feight sometimes worked as an outside contractor due to his engineering skills. But GE has "no reason to believe" any crimes "took place on GE property," and Crawford has since been suspended, the company said in a statement.

"We are cooperating fully with authorities on their investigation," said Jim Healy, communications director for GE Power & Water.

Both defendants have been charged with conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists, namely through use of a weapon of mass destruction. The charges came via a criminal complaint, which means a grand jury will decide whether to indict the men if a plea deal is not reached beforehand.

In a statement, U.S. Attorney Richard Hartunian said the public must "remain vigilant to detect and stop potential terrorists," and the head of the FBI's field office in Albany, Andrew Vale, said such anti-terrorism efforts "are only successful" with the public's help.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-foils-plot-build-strange-ray-weapon-possibly/story?id=19440343


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By the way if these people were such threats why did they let them walk the streets for over a year. What if they decided the death ray was a failure and just ended up going on a shooting spree inside a Mosque. If that happened I bet all info they had on them would magically disappear and all we would hear is how they slipped through the cracks.


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By the way if these people were such threats why did they let them walk the streets for over a year. What if they decided the death ray was a failure and just ended up going on a shooting spree inside a Mosque.


Well, the FBI had to help them build the death ray first.(of course nobody wonders how the FBI knows what parts are needed for a death ray).

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Ultimately, with help from the undercover agents, Crawford and Feight acquired the necessary parts and even tested the device that would remotely detonate the weapon, according to the FBI. It would all be powered through a truck's cigarette lighter, the FBI said.


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From your post:

Crawford and Feight allegedly planned to hide their weapon in a truck and
FBI experts said it would have been "functional" and "lethal."

"FBI Experts" or "Rotterdam Message Board Experts"... You decide!    


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Well, the FBI had to help them build the death ray first.(of course nobody wonders how the FBI knows what parts are needed for a death ray).



Whats new, 90% of the plots they say they foiled they supplied the weapons


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Whats new, 90% of the plots they say they foiled they supplied the weapons


All this duo needed to make this weapon was the already available XRay parts.  They had the know how
to put the weapon together but needed a connection to buy the parts.
  Since these parts are present in many city hospital and in large manufacturing companies (GE) the
terrorists only needed one more piece of the puzzle to complete their mission.
One more TeaBagger Hater with access to an industrial XRAY machine, and would have been reading about
the number of casualties, and wondering if we were exposed.


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From your post:

Crawford and Feight allegedly planned to hide their weapon in a truck and
FBI experts said it would have been "functional" and "lethal."

"FBI Experts" or "Rotterdam Message Board Experts"... You decide!    


Oooooooooohhhhhhh...The FBI experts.  Why didn't you say so?

Be afraid box, be very afraid!  There is a "terrorist" hiding behind every corner.  

An X-Ray gun that was never built, and never could have been built without the FBI's help is now a WMD.  

Sh!t, Box always said there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.  Based on the charges U.S. prosecuters are charging people with in these fantasy land plots, if Saddam Hussein had an X Ray machine and a car cigarette lighter, then he DID have WMD'S! LMAO  


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From your post:

Crawford and Feight allegedly planned to hide their weapon in a truck and
FBI experts said it would have been "functional" and "lethal."

"FBI Experts" or "Rotterdam Message Board Experts"... You decide!    


FBI...in the business of law enforcement...
Scientific Academia...in the business of facts and education...

I know who I would choose to trust...



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FBI...in the business of law enforcement...
Scientific Academia...in the business of facts and education...

I know who I would choose to trust...



I'm not surprised  


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I'm not surprised  

Believing whatever the government says while dismissing scientists with no stake with the perps...
I'm not surprised either...


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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Believing whatever the government says while dismissing scientists with no stake with the perps...
I'm not surprised either...


I assume that this weapon is capable of being made.  Padilla was going to make a dirty bomb from
readily available explosives and nuke waste material.  We were lucky that he didn't succeed.

I don't want to just sit around waiting for these two to finally stumble on the right formula to make
this weapon work... I'm glad that they have been arrested... aren't you???


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I assume that this weapon is capable of being made.  Padilla was going to make a dirty bomb from
readily available explosives and nuke waste material.  We were lucky that he didn't succeed.

I don't want to just sit around waiting for these two to finally stumble on the right formula to make
this weapon work... I'm glad that they have been arrested... aren't you???


I already said they should be prosecuted...
The chances of these two clowns getting the combination right and having money to finance it is a little longer than my chances to win the powerball jackpot. What bothers me is the Hysteria push by the prosecutors...

We should be glad many terrorists appear to be pretty stupid...based on the ridiculous plots that have been foiled....Not that I want to see it happen, but I find it hard to believe we have not been hit yet by something that takes a little brain power...well, actually not that much... How hard is it to detonate something near critical infrastructure? Or introduce water supply contamination?


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I already said they should be prosecuted...
The chances of these two clowns getting the combination right and having money to finance it is a little longer than my chances to win the powerball jackpot. What bothers me is the Hysteria push by the prosecutors...

We should be glad many terrorists appear to be pretty stupid...based on the ridiculous plots that have been foiled....Not that I want to see it happen, but I find it hard to believe we have not been hit yet by something that takes a little brain power...well, actually not that much... How hard is it to detonate something near critical infrastructure? Or introduce water supply contamination?


I agree that if these two failed, they would have tried again until they succeeded.  Timothy McVeigh
was no genius and he succeeded.  The Boston Bombers were not Einstein and yet succeeded.
One of these terrorists was vice president of a high tech company.  I think he may have possessed the
knowledge and the other terrorist had the instilled HATE to incite the other.  
Together with some backing and a little luck, they would have eventually succeeded in making some kind
of weapon.  


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Chomsky: Obama is ‘dedicated to increasing terrorism’By Stephen C. Webster
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:29 EDTTopics: chomsky ♦ noam chomsky ♦ Obama

In a wide-ranging interview with GRITtv host Laura Flanders, MIT professor and author Noam Chomsky plainly stated that President Barack Obama’s administration is “dedicated to increasing terrorism” all around the world. In his view, the NSA spying scandal clearly illustrates how subservient to corporate and state power the American media has become. “There would be headlines saying this is a bad joke” if the press wanted to be truly independent, Chomsky told Flanders.

“The Obama administration is dedicated to increasing terrorism,” he went on. “In fact, it’s doing it all over the world. Obama, first of all, is running the biggest terrorist operation that exists, maybe in history. The drone assassination campaigns, which are just part of it… All of these operations, they are terror operations.” Chomsky continued: “People have a reaction, they don’t say, ‘Fine, I don’t care if my cousin was murdered.’ And they become what we call terrorists. This is completely understood from the highest level, that as you carry out these operations you’re generating terrorism.”

“Sometimes it’s almost surreal,” he lamented, recalling the congressional testimony of a man from Yemen who claimed a single drone strike turned his whole village against the U.S. — something the extremist Muslims in his region had failed to do.

“People hate the country that’s just terrorizing them, that’s not a surprise,” Chomsky added. “Just consider the way we react to acts of terror. That’s the way other people react to acts of terror.” He went on to say the Obama administration risked a nuclear war to kill al-Qaeda financier Osama bin Laden by sending special forces troops into a sovereign nation. He concluded that the ongoing polio vaccination campaign in Pakistan was ultimately discredited by the Central Intelligence Agency, which used fake vaccinations to get access to the bin Laden compound. Chomsky said that operation gave weight to the fear many Pakistanis have of letting strangers inject their children with an unknown substance — even though that substance could be used to finally eradicate polio from one of its last havens on the planet.

“By now the charges are credible, that these rich white guys are just trying to gather intelligence and undermine you, and maybe send more drones to attack you,” he said. “It was so severe that the U.N. had to pull out its vaccination team… [One] epidemiologist… estimated that it may lead to 100,000 polio cases in Pakistan.”


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/19/chomsky-obama-is-dedicated-to-increasing-terrorism/


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