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It's similar to the Republican situation... Republicans Hate Obama, more than they LOVE the USA.
SImilarly
This guy Hates Muslims, more than he Hates the Jews.
If you consider that a weapon of this nature used by Israel against any Muslim population would
incite Muslims worldwide to take retribution against Israel.  He would have his most hated enemies
at war with his 2nd most hated enemies.


There isn't a government conspiracy you are not willing consider, is there?  


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Crawford believed he was meeting up with someone with access to an industrial
X-ray system — the last piece he needed to construct his lethal device.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Authorities accused Glendon Scott Crawford, 49, of Galway, and Eric J. Feight, 54, of Hudson,
of creating the truck-mounted X-ray device so it could employed by Jewish groups or other
organizations intending to harm Muslims.
Though the system was never at risk of becoming fully operational,
prosecutors believe the blueprint the men created would have
resulted in something capable of being activated from nearly a half-mile
away and causing significant injury without its intended victims every
realizing its existence.
Today's Daily Gazette


You need A LOT of electrical power to operate an Xray machine, especially one that is capable of harming people more than a few feet from the device.



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You need A LOT of electrical power to operate an Xray machine, especially one that is capable of harming people more than a few feet from the device.


Car battery and jumper cables will do.


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Car battery and jumper cables will do.

Maybe for your dentists office and doctors Xray machine, but not for a super charged industrial model that is capable of doing harm to people more than a few feet away from the device.

They were talking about a 2000 watt power supply, that's 166 AMPS at 12 volts... even with teamed car batteries, they are only capable of delivering that kind of power for a minute or two... at most.


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This from the experts....
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Experts-say-weapon-unfeasible-far-fetched-4611172.php

Summary? These two were wacko clowns and although their intentions were sinister, they needed to lay off the crack pipe if they thought this design would actually do the job.


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The board "experts" seem to have problems with basic engineering.  If the group with this weapon were
the Black Panthers, they'd be crying to their Govt to PROTECT THEM from this TERRIBLE WEAPON!!!
Since TeaBagger Terrorists in their Neigbhborhood doesn't fit their political agenda... they just
deny reality.     Typical  

So should we believe the board "radiation experts"?  Or should we believe reality.  
Once again:
Prosecutors believe the blueprint the men created would have resulted in something capable of being
activated from nearly a half-mile away and causing significant injury without its intended victims every
realizing its existence.

And
Federal investigators said Crawford believed he was meeting up with someone with access to an
industrial X-ray system — the last piece he needed to construct his lethal device.


The device would work... and all they needed is a few industrial X Ray parts...

The predictions of Homeland security warning of Right Wing Domestic Terrorists has come true...
right in our own back yard.
What do the Right Wingers have to say about these FACTS???
They Are Wallowing In Denial!  


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The board "experts" seem to have problems with basic engineering.  If the group with this weapon were
the Black Panthers, they'd be crying to their Govt to PROTECT THEM from this TERRIBLE WEAPON!!!
Since TeaBagger Terrorists in their Neigbhborhood doesn't fit their political agenda... they just
deny reality.     Typical  

So should we believe the board "radiation experts"?  Or should we believe reality.  
Once again:
Prosecutors believe the blueprint the men created would have resulted in something capable of being
activated from nearly a half-mile away and causing significant injury without its intended victims every
realizing its existence.

And
Federal investigators said Crawford believed he was meeting up with someone with access to an
industrial X-ray system — the last piece he needed to construct his lethal device.


The device would work... and all they needed is a few industrial X Ray parts...

The predictions of Homeland security warning of Right Wing Domestic Terrorists has come true...
right in our own back yard.
What do the Right Wingers have to say about these FACTS???
They Are Wallowing In Denial!  


No Boxy, you and the prosecutors have a problem with basic engineering....
this from REAL EXPERTS
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Experts-say-weapon-unfeasible-far-fetched-4611172.php


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No Boxy, you and the prosecutors have a problem with basic engineering....
this from REAL EXPERTS
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Experts-say-weapon-unfeasible-far-fetched-4611172.php


From YOUR LINK:
in order to generate a lethal dose with a range of 300 yards.
Why 300 yards???
Why not at a range of 3 yards or 1 yard.  A delivery truck drives to a local Walmart and parks
near the entrance for half an hour.  200 people pass with in feet of the truck.
Then to a school parking lot near the entrance where 500 kids will pass with in 10 feet of the truck.
If it's turned on and off remotely, or driven by an unsuspecting driver no one would know they are being
exposed until they got sick.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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From YOUR LINK:
in order to generate a lethal dose with a range of 300 yards.
Why 300 yards???
Why not at a range of 3 yards or 1 yard.  A delivery truck drives to a local Walmart and parks
near the entrance for half an hour.  200 people pass with in feet of the truck.
Then to a school parking lot near the entrance where 500 kids will pass with in 10 feet of the truck.
If it's turned on and off remotely, or driven by an unsuspecting driver no one would know they are being
exposed until they got sick.

You're reaching for straws, Box...
Bottom line, this article says it was NOT feasible..at least from these two wackos...
Even the ones that said it was theoretically possible, said it would be VERY difficult and VERY expensive.
Certainly not from these guys, who didn't have the capital..in brains OR money to pull it off.

Should they be prosecuted? absolutely, but let's take a step back from the Hysteria that their plot was imminent or even possible.


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From YOUR LINK:
in order to generate a lethal dose with a range of 300 yards.
Why 300 yards???
Why not at a range of 3 yards or 1 yard.  A delivery truck drives to a local Walmart and parks


There are 880 yards in a half mile.  The prosecutors believed the blue print would power this x ray gun a half mile.  The prosecutor didn't say 1 to 3 yards.
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Though the system was never at risk of becoming fully operational,
prosecutors believe the blueprint the men created would have
resulted in something capable of being activated from nearly a half-mile
away and causing significant injury without its intended victims every
realizing its existence.

Today's Daily Gazette



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There are 880 yards in a half mile.  The prosecutors believed the blue print would power this x ray gun a half mile.  The prosecutor didn't say 1 to 3 yards.



Just a hint Cic... first you get your FACTS, then you write your post.

One of these Domestic Terrorist,  Geoffrey Kent is listed as vice president of Genius Industrial
Solutions, a company that builds automation and embedded controls for a variety of uses.

He is in the business of remote or automated devices.  

Really Cissy... because you don't have the capability or the intelligence to do something doesn't mean
that the rest of us are that inept.  


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TeaBaggers In Tears!

In June 2012, Crawford met with a confidential FBI source at a restaurant in Scotia,
where he allegedly stated “that he was tired of getting ‘raped,’ that there are people out
there who have decided that they don’t get their fair share in life, and that he wanted to stop
these people.”



Sounds like some of the Anti-Govt sissies on this board.  Boo Hoo... I have to pay my taxes... I have to actually
contribute something to my country.  

Ya can always tell a TeaBagger, but ya can't tell em much!  


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Just a hint Cic... first you get your FACTS, then you write your post.

One of these Domestic Terrorist,  Geoffrey Kent is listed as vice president of Genius Industrial
Solutions, a company that builds automation and embedded controls for a variety of uses.

He is in the business of remote or automated devices.  

Really Cissy... because you don't have the capability or the intelligence to do something doesn't mean
that the rest of us are that inept.  


LOL!  

You are the one actually considering these people "terrorists" for trying to make a Star Trek ray gun. Talk about lack of intelligence.LMAO

Terrorists have:
Bombs in their underware
Bombs in their shoes
AND NOW....THE NEXT TERROR WEAPON!




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This from the experts....
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Experts-say-weapon-unfeasible-far-fetched-4611172.php

Summary? These two were wacko clowns and although their intentions were sinister, they needed to lay off the crack pipe if they thought this design would actually do the job.


No such design exist, these idiots probably would have killed themselves before even testing the "death ray" out. Watching box take this so serious is funny as hell though, its making for some good laughs. Oh they also released footage of what this machine could do, thank God they saved us, here it is.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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