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The Pursuit of Edward Snowden: Washington in a Rage, Striving to Run the World

Monday, 24 June 2013 09:16 0 Comments
By Norman Solomon.

Rarely has any American provoked such fury in Washington’s high places. So far, Edward Snowden has outsmarted the smartest guys in the echo chamber -- and he has proceeded with the kind of moral clarity that U.S. officials seem to find unfathomable.

Bipartisan condemnations of Snowden are escalating from Capitol Hill and the Obama administration. More of the NSA’s massive surveillance program is now visible in the light of day -- which is exactly what it can’t stand.

The central issue is our dire shortage of democracy. How can we have real consent of the governed when the government is entrenched with extreme secrecy, surveillance and contempt for privacy?

The same government that continues to expand its invasive dragnet of surveillance, all over the United States and the rest of the world, is now asserting its prerogative to drag Snowden back to the USA from anywhere on the planet. It’s not only about punishing him and discouraging other potential whistleblowers. Top U.S. officials are also determined to -- quite literally -- silence Snowden’s voice, as Bradley Manning’s voice has been nearly silenced behind prison walls.

The sunshine of information, the beacon of principled risk-takers, the illumination of government actions that can’t stand the light of day -- these correctives are anathema to U.S. authorities who insist that really informative whistleblowers belong in solitary confinement. A big problem for those authorities is that so many people crave the sunny beacons of illumination.

On Sunday night, more than 15,000 Americans took action to send a clear message to the White House. The subject line said “Mr. President, hands off Edward Snowden,” and the email message read: “I urge you in the strongest terms to do nothing to interfere with the travels or political asylum process of Edward Snowden. The U.S. government must not engage in abduction or any other form of foul play against Mr. Snowden.”

As the Obama White House weighs its options, the limits are practical and political. Surveillance and military capacities are inseparable, and they’re certainly huge, but constraints may cause major frustration. Sunday on CNN, anchor Don Lemon cited the fabled Navy Seals and said such commandos ought to be able to capture Snowden, pronto.

The state of surveillance and perpetual war are one and the same. The U.S. government’s rationale for pervasive snooping is the “war on terror,” the warfare state under whatever name.

Too rarely mentioned is the combination of nonviolence and idealism that has been integral to the courageous whistleblowing by Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning. Right now, one is on a perilous journey across the globe in search of political asylum, while the other is locked up in a prison and confined to a military trial excluding the human dimensions of the case. At a time of Big Brother and endless war, Snowden and Manning have bravely insisted that a truly better world is possible.

Meanwhile, top policymakers in Washington seem bent on running as much of the world as possible. Their pursuit of Edward Snowden has evolved into a frenzied rage.

Those at the top of the U.S. government insist that Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning have betrayed it. But that’s backward. Putting its money on vast secrecy and military violence instead of democracy, the government has betrayed Snowden and Manning and the rest of us.

Trying to put a stop to all that secrecy and violence, we have no assurance of success. But continuing to try is a prerequisite for realistic hope.

A few months before the invasion of Iraq, looking out at Baghdad from an upper story of a hotel, I thought of something Albert Camus once wrote. "And henceforth, the only honorable course will be to stake everything on a formidable gamble: that words are more powerful than munitions."

Edward Snowden’s honorable course has led him to this historic moment. The U.S. government is eager to pay him back with retribution and solitary. But many people in the United States and around the world are responding with love and solidarity.

http://therealnews.com/t2/comp.....ing-to-run-the-world


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Hippies??? Are you referring to L4Life again???


That would be DIPPIE !!!


JUST BECAUSE SISSY SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO...BUT HE THINKS IT DOES!!!!!  
JUST BECAUSE MC1 SAYS SO DOESN'T MAKE IT SO!!!!!  
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The truth of the matter is......folks are less trusting of their government. They 'know' and 'feel' that things just aren't 'right'. This feeling is resinating across the globe. Instead of governments listening to their citizens....they are looking at them as 'the enemy'. When the whistleblowers are now the new found HEROES.....the government clearly has some rethinking to do. Perhaps it's not to late to regain that trust....one can only hope.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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The truth of the matter is......folks are less trusting of their government. They 'know' and 'feel' that things just aren't 'right'. This feeling is resinating across the globe. Instead of governments listening to their citizens....they are looking at them as 'the enemy'. When the whistleblowers are now the new found HEROES.....the government clearly has some rethinking to do. Perhaps it's not to late to regain that trust....one can only hope.


Just going to the DMV makes you feel like the enemy.
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When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
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When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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The Chinese had access to Snowden's 2 tablet laptops that contained stolen NSA data.  
Snowden collects the data, puts it on laptops... then carries that data to China and allows the Chinese
access to the laptops.
How is this not ESPIONAGE?


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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The Chinese had access to Snowden's 2 tablet laptops that contained stolen NSA data.  
Snowden collects the data, puts it on laptops... then carries that data to China and allows the Chinese
access to the laptops.
How is this not ESPIONAGE?


I didn't see the report where Snowden let the Chinese see the laptops.


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I didn't see the report where Snowden let the Chinese see the laptops.


The Chinese information is all over the net... but I posted a site that you know well and trust:



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The Chinese information is all over the net... but I posted a site that you know well and trust:


Oh yeah I found it!

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Miller touched on the four laptops Snowden was reportedly carrying with him. Intel experts have said the Chinese government likely had the opportunity to download the data on the hard drives before he fled the country.


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Oh yeah I found it!


Don't worry Cic... The Chinese don't care that you and your BFFL Anwar al-Awlaki would spend
hours talking late into the night about his treason and ties with Al Qaeda.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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A senior intelligence official said: “The intelligence community is already seeing indications that several terrorist groups
are in fact attempting to change their communication behaviors based on what they’re reading about our surveillance
programs in the media.”
In an interview with CNN today, Secretary of State John Kerry said that “people may die as a consequence of what
this man [Snowden] did.”
“It is possible that the United States will be attacked because terrorists may now know how to protect themselves
in some way or another, that they didn’t know before,” he said.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Don't worry Cic... The Chinese don't care that you and your BFFL Anwar al-Awlaki would spend
hours talking late into the night about his treason and ties with Al Qaeda.


When did Al Awlaki get charged and convicted of treason?  Ohhh, that's right, you don't need due process or trials to determine your FACTS.  Just a "trust us" by your dear leader, and WHAM! it's a FACT.  


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When did Al Awlaki get charged and convicted of treason?  Ohhh, that's right, you don't need due process or trials to determine your FACTS.  Just a "trust us" by your dear leader, and WHAM! it's a FACT.  


The terrorists didn't get charged with treason... as you know by your late night talks with him.
Had it been possible for the terrorists to be captured and returned to the USA he likely would
have been.
I wonder if your late night talks with the terrorist led the NSA to locate him in Yemen, facilitating  
a drone being flown his @ss?

Just think Cicero... maybe YOU are responsible for the death of this terrorist!  "CONGRATS"!



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