Also, that CBS News article is a guess about a guess. Kind of like the "economic engine" articles the Gazette runs about Proctor's. Conjecture about conjecture isn't the same thing as reality. I'm really surprised that all these "science over religion" types become so unscientific when it suits their purposes.

Since no one has actually paid for ObamaCare with the new signup, all the numbers are PROJECTED.
But Insurance companies HAVE dropped their rates due to ObamaCare competition (free market) and
those people are buying at a lower rate than before Obamacare.
The rate they will pay is LOWER (Saving Money) that pre ObamaCare rates.

As I said, that CBS news is a guess based on a projection.

Box won't touch the big deductions that must be paid before the insurance starts to pay for your health care. The lower the cost of the plan, such as the Bronze plan, the greater the amount you will pay before the insurance starts paying for your health care.

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Box won't touch the big deductions that must be paid before the insurance starts to pay for your health care. The lower the cost of the plan, such as the Bronze plan, the greater the amount you will pay before the insurance starts paying for your health care.

That will be interesting to watch...I've already seen a couple of stories on how people are complaining about those deductibles... $6000 and up for some plans...

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As I said, that CBS news is a guess based on a projection.

The NEW INSURANCE RATES THAT AMERICANS ARE PAYING TODAY UNDER OBAMACARE
ARE LOWER THAN BEFORE OBAMACARE. That is a fact not a projection.

How much lower or how much the taxpayers will save is a projection.

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That will be interesting to watch...I've already seen a couple of stories on how people are complaining about those deductibles... $6000 and up for some plans...

Consumer Reports:
Obamacare Opponents 'Misrepresented' Us On Website
&
The best place to buy coverage on your own is through the Health
Insurance Marketplace in your state." ObamaCare!

Yes.  Consumer reports is complaining about TeaBaggers & Republicans misquoting their report.
CU says:

Quoted Text

"Pundits opposed to the new health care law and some media outlets have tried
to suggest that our coverage of the troubled HealthCare.gov site means that Consumer
Reports has turned against the Affordable Care Act," wrote Nancy Metcalf, who covers
health care for Consumer Reports. "Not true. Consistent with our mission to inform and
protect consumers, particularly in this complicated health care market, our advice
remains the same:
The best place to buy coverage on your own is through the Health
Insurance Marketplace in your state."

(Imagine that!  TeaBaggers and "pundits" (FoxSnooze) misrepresenting the truth!  

This new stupid health insurance scam has absolutely NOTHING to do about keeping 'insurance costs' down....it is ALL about FORCING each and every American to be covered....especially the young ones who rarely use the system........PERIOD!!!

Ya can't go by what the LAME STREAM MEDIA is spewing!! Each and every single person I have talked to PERSONALLY.....in NYS and beyond have ALL said that either their premiums or deductible have skyrocketed.....on or off the exchange!

They are ALL the same insurance companies folks!!! It is the insurance companies that are the cash cow here!! Corporate welfare at it's best!!

And it is medicare that is dictating the coverage and premiums. Even medicare premiums are set to increase yearly which in turn lowers your social security benefit.

It's a joke at best!!!

DON'T LISTEN TO THE LAME STREAM MEDIA OR THE POLLS.....it's all bogus!!

AP / CBS)
The Federal Government's flood of red ink hit another high-water mark as the Treasury Department quietly reported today that the National Debt hit $11-trillion for the first time ever.

To be exact, the Debt now stands at $11,033,157,578,669.78. Divide it by the U.S. population and it comes up to over $36,000 in debt for every man, woman and child among us.

And the government is running up mountains of debt with increasing speed. It took just over 5 ? months for Uncle Sam to go another trillion dollars deeper in debt since hitting $10-trillion last September 30th. It's the fastest jump in U.S. history.

The hundreds of billions of dollars being spent as part of the federal bailout of the financial markets is a leading factor in the rapid increase. Over $400-billion in debt has been accrued in the 57 days since President Obama took office.

And the federal budget he unveiled last month projects even faster increases in the National Debt. It'll hit $12.7-trillion by the end of the fiscal year on September 30th. The Administration's four year estimate shows that by the end of September 2012, the Debt will have soared to $16.2-trillion – which amounts to nearly 100% of the projected Gross Domestic Product that year.

The U.S. is running up so much debt so quickly, some investors are worried. Over the weekend, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, who says his country has about a trillion dollars invested in U.S. Treasury notes, said he wanted a guarantee.

President Obama said Wen's got nothing to worry about.

"Not just the Chinese government, but every investor, can have absolute confidence in the soundness of investments in the United States," he said on Saturday.

That's because the U.S. government's power to tax stands behind all of its debt. If Uncle Sam ever needs a bailout, then as now, taxpayers get nailed.

It took the U.S. government 191 years – from 1791 until 1982 – to run up its first trillion dollars in debt. The second and third trillions got on the scoreboard much more quickly – each in just four years.

By the time George W. Bush was inaugurated in 2001, the National Debt stood at $5.7-trillion. He ran up more debt faster than nearly all of his predecessors combined: just under $4.9-trillion.

The National Debt stood at $10.6-trillon on the day Barack Obama took office. But if his budget projections are accurate, he'll run up nearly as much government debt in four years as President Bush did in eight.http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-4872310-503544.html

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Unemployment rate dips to 7.2 % as the US economy added 148,000 jobs.

what kind of jobs....because waitstaff doesn't count

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The NEW INSURANCE RATES THAT AMERICANS ARE PAYING TODAY UNDER OBAMACARE
ARE LOWER THAN BEFORE OBAMACARE. That is a fact not a projection.

How much lower or how much the taxpayers will save is a projection.

EVERYTHING shows up 'affordable'....but affordable is subjective.....the government doesn't know my habits/likes/dislikes
or what I want to spend my $$ on.....AND NEITHER DO YOU....

in a few years when the excise tax takes effect the Titanics deck chairs will get moved around again...

SHOW ME THE $$ TRAIL....it sure as hell isn't into any Joe Amercan's bank account...

telling me what I need to pay for and what I can afford is none of their fu(king business.....

DSS/food stamps have boundaries....and people sell it to get 'the other goods' they WANT.....

what does everyone think will happen with 'boundary health insurance'.....????

there will always be people off the scope....mean while I'm getting shuffled around to make it look like everyone is
saved.....

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what kind of jobs....because waitstaff doesn't count

Yes, the service industry in DC is exploding with the serfs waiting on all the wealth funneling into DC.  The kings must be treated as royalty.  

The GOP "Part Time" Lie!

TeaBaggers take a play from Lenin's playbook.
A lie told often enough becomes the truth.
Vladimir Lenin

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/v/vladimir_lenin.html#IBRUVlXI0t5ctg9h.99

Lol..MSNBC...lol