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and where exactly does mr. obama think mexico got these guns from?????? DUH!!


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Barack Obama blames United States guns for the violence in Mexico
Posted on May 3, 2013
America’s Watchtower

Barack Obama was in Mexico today and he claimed that most of the guns that are used in crimes in Mexico come from the United States. My first thought when I heard that statement, which can be heard here, is where have I heard this before because it sounds very familiar. It did not take me long to remember: The year was 2009 and it was Hillary Clinton who stated that America’s “insatiable demand for illegal drugs” and our “inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border” was partially responsible for the gun violence in Mexico.  

She claimed that 90% of the weapons recovered at the scenes of violent crimes in America could be traced back to American gun dealers. It did not take long for that number to be proven to be a lie, so the Obama regime began implementing a program to prove the lie. That program was known as Fast and Furious. The United States government forced gun dealers at the border to sell weapons to known Mexican drug lords in the hope that the weapons would be recovered at violent crime scenes.

That plan went awry when, in addition to the hundreds of murdered Mexicans, Brian Terry and Jamie Zapata were murdered with weapons the Obama regime sold to Mexican criminals.

That is the point when I realized that technically Barack Obama is right, there is some blame to be placed on America for the gun violence in Mexico. But Barack Obama was using this speech to push gun control on law abiding citizens in America instead of focusing the blame where it should be placed–on Hillary Clinton, Janet Napolitano, Eric Holder, and possibly on Barack Obama himself.

After all, Eric Holder admitted that the 2000 plus guns sold to Mexican criminals under Fast and Furious would turn up at crime scenes for years to come, but now that he has been proven right Barack Obama has no interest in getting to the bottom of the Fast and Furious scandal because he is only interesting in usurping the second amendment rights of law abiding American citizens. It must be remembered at this point that when Darrell Issa’s investigation was closing in on Eric Holder, and held him in Contempt of the Congress, Barack Obama sealed the recordsusing Executive Privilege and for all intents and purposes shut the door on the truth.
http://www.fromthetrenchesworl.....ence-in-mexico/43108


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At the very least, Obama and Holder should be held civilly liable for damages caused by the deaths of those American law enforcement agents.   But, I would prefer that they be charged and convicted as accessories to the actual crime and sent to a Federal prison for the rest of their natural lives.


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At the very least, Obama and Holder should be held civilly liable for damages caused by the deaths of those American law enforcement agents.   But, I would prefer that they be charged and convicted as accessories to the actual crime and sent to a Federal prison for the rest of their natural lives.


Agreed, I believe box once said gun owners whose guns are used in a crime should be held accountable for their weapons, I wonder if he agrees Obama and co should be held similarly accountable for the guns they gave to the cartels.


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Obama is doing this is because of 3 reasons:

a) 'Fast and Furious' has been totally swept under the rug

b) It continues the 2009 DEM talking points for gun control by blaming America for Mexican problems ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/25/AR2009032501034.html )

c) His speech to the Mexican students won't be widely broadcast by the MSM.

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Look at 2009 Hillary and 2013 Obama....It's like the same speech.




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Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-20039031.html




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Once again everyone is ignoring the fact that guns don't commit crimes.

People do.

Mexicans commit Mexican crimes and Americans commit American crimes.

Some crimes are committed by ordinary criminals, some are committed by
government employees.

Name one gun that ever committed a crime.


This is just a distraction, meant to further demonize guns.
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Quoted from Libertarian4life
Once again everyone is ignoring the fact that guns don't commit crimes.

People do.

Mexicans commit Mexican crimes and Americans commit American crimes.

Some crimes are committed by ordinary criminals, some are committed by
government employees.

Name one gun that ever committed a crime.


This is just a distraction, meant to further demonize guns.


Name one car that ever commited a crime. Cars are a machine used toget from one place to another but you need a licence to operate this tool. Credentials,a certificate you get after you show that youknow how to useit.

A gun is a tool specifically designed to kill. Why dont you at least need an operators licence?



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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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For those who question why 2nd Amendment advocates are leery of expanding gun licensing requirements (and yes - there are gun licensing requirements in many states), why is it that many of the same people who are Pro-Gun Control are violently opposed to laws that simply require a prospective voter to show some form of I.D. when coming to a polling place to vote ????????????????

Both owning guns and voting are constitutionally protected rights.  Either neither should have any reasonable laws regulating the right or both should have reasonable laws regulating the right.


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Both owning guns and voting are constitutionally protected rights.  Either neither should have any reasonable laws regulating the right or both should have reasonable laws regulating the right.


I agree.  Both have reasonable laws regulating them.

Federal Voting Rights Laws:
The simple requirements for federal election voting eligibility include being over eighteen
years of age and a U.S. citizen, by either birth or the naturalization process.
There is no federal law that automatically excludes people who have been convicted of
a felony from voting. However, most states have laws regarding voting rights for people
who have been convicted of a crime classified as a felony, convicted of certain types of
felonies, or who are in jail.
Furthermore, a person must be legally registered to vote in his or her jurisdiction in order to be able to vote in a federal election.
US Dept of Justice
http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/vot/intro/intro.php

Federal Gun Laws:
US Dept of Justice
http://www.justice.gov/usao/ut/psn/documents/guncard.pdf



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Quoted from Box A Rox


Put a gun on a table and see if it kills you by itself, you will be waiting a long time, same goes with a knife, hammer, baseball bat, icepick, and so on. A gun is just a tool it requires the person behind it to use it.

Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor

Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait 'til their judgement day comes
Yeah!

Now in darkness world stops turning
Ashes where the bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees the war pig's crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan laughing spreads his wings
Oh lord yeah!


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Better yet if someone strangles you with their bare hands do you blame their hands box or the person?


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Ozzy has bodyguards with guns....


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