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Unfortunately I did.  I even have public school pedagogues in the family.  It makes for interesting dinner table conversations.


I'm sorry.  It must be terrible for you.  

My education is of the private variety but my kids were public... both systems have minor advantages, but
the basic education was the same.



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I'm sorry.  It must be terrible for you.  


I wouldn't call it terrible, but definately A LOT of it was a waste of my time.  There was one or two teachers that actually challenged students to think for themselves and to be critical thinkers.  The rest taught rote memorization and test taking on subjects I had no interest in, and that I have never used in my adult life.  


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I went to Schenectady public schools, in fact we had family in the public system here as long as we had a city school system. Schenectady offered a fine program and if you didn't get a good education it was because you didn't really want one. Things started to change around 1980 or so, when the focus stopped being on learning and achievement and started being on odd things like everybody being the same. People started throwing around terms like "elitist" and we also started pushing the idea that attending college was a right whether someone was interested in higher learning or not. So we could all be the same. Then they started pushing the "diversity" crap and suddenly somebody who lived on the same street as you and sat next to you in class every day was from a different culture and therefore needed all kinds of "help" from social engineers if he or she was ever to amount to anything. So you had to be "diverse" (diverse means different) and all be the same simultaneously. A tough job, but there were plenty of social workers disguised as educators working on that.
Did you know that back when they destroyed the neighborhood school system under the guise of declining enrollment (a lie), the district was actually employing people to determine what "kind" your child was for purposes of social engineering? We went to busing AFTER the guy who invented it decided it was a failure. Now they claim it was to keep kids "safe", but that's a lie as well, it was busing to achieve "balance".

I don't like the way the reporter just dropped the story after the hospital said that they were required by law to "offer" instruction. Offering instruction and having a stranger show up in your child's hospital room to give him a test are way different, and if there is a law allowing hospitals to share your child's medical information with strangers without permission, I'd like to see that law. Sounds like a HIPPA violation to me. If that were my child lying in bed hooked up to tubes with this kook walking in, I'd have thrown her out bodily if she didn't run the other way.
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I wouldn't call it terrible, but definately A LOT of it was a waste of my time.  There was one or two teachers that actually challenged students to think for themselves and to be critical thinkers.  The rest taught rote memorization and test taking on subjects I had no interest in, and that I have never used in my adult life.  


Your post about education in "Government Schools" sounds pretty much like my education in
"Private Schools".  
IMO, a motivated student could succeed in either school.


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Your post about education in "Government Schools" sounds pretty much like my education in
"Private Schools".  
IMO, a motivated student could succeed in either school.


Success is subjective.  

IMO, many students become unmotivated because of all the mandatory studies they are forced to attend that they are not interested in.  A student that has an interest in math might learn more with three hours of math a day, instead of three 45 minute classes that they have no interest in.  

By 15 years old, parents should have a pretty good idea what their childs interests are what they learn naturally.  If your child enjoys reading fiction, creative writting, art and music...making them take chemistry and calculus is probably a waste of their time.

This story about the states obsession with standardized testing is evidence of the f'd up priorities of state education.  I don't think your private school would have tracked you down in the hospital while you lay in a hospital bed to give you a test.


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Success is subjective.  

IMO, many students become unmotivated because of all the mandatory studies they are forced to attend that they are not interested in.  A student that has an interest in math might learn more with three hours of math a day, instead of three 45 minute classes that they have no interest in.  

By 15 years old, parents should have a pretty good idea what their childs interests are what they learn naturally.  If your child enjoys reading fiction, creative writting, art and music...making them take chemistry and calculus is probably a waste of their time.

This story about the states obsession with standardized testing is evidence of the f'd up priorities of state education.  I don't think your private school would have tracked you down in the hospital while you lay in a hospital bed to give you a test.


The Bottom Line???
What Cicero's 'bottom line' is on every issue... HE DOESN'T WANT TO PAY ANY EDUCATION TAX!


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The Bottom Line???
What Cicero's 'bottom line' is on every issue... HE DOESN'T WANT TO PAY ANY EDUCATION TAX!


What's box's 'bottom line' on every government program?  HE WANTS TO FORCE EVERYBODY TO PAY NO MATTER HOW BIG OF A FAILURE IT IS!  

Just like the MSNBC "Lean Forward" promo.

“We have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families, kids belong to whole communities, and once we realize this we’ll make “better investments”


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When I was in elementary school MANY years ago it was reading writing and arithmetic. The problems now are the end of neighborhood
schools and the DAM state testing.

Regarding HIPPA now this goes back some years also but I had one of my kids tested for a substance and when I called the
doctors office at CDPC they told me I couldn't get the results, My child was 12 years old at the time, well I raised hell and got them as I
was the one who asked for the test to be done and I was the one paying for it.

ALWAYS go into your childs pediatrician with them, doctors can give some vaccines without parents knowledge and prescribe medications
without parents knowledge. Imagine if the child had a reaction to either the parent would have NO idea what was going on.

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ALWAYS go into your childs pediatrician with them, doctors can give some vaccines without parents knowledge and prescribe medications
without parents knowledge. Imagine if the child had a reaction to either the parent would have NO idea what was going on.


Once you get out of this warped mindset that your children are yours, only then will you be comfortable with doctors, social workers, and schools making these decisions for you.  If you don't trust your childs doctor and the chemicals they want to inject into them, you are a conspiracy nut and may be unfit to raise your children.


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What's box's 'bottom line' on every government program?  HE WANTS TO FORCE EVERYBODY TO PAY NO MATTER HOW BIG OF A FAILURE IT IS!  


Cic got his free education, now when he is a taxpayer, he doesn't want to pay for any one else to
be educated.
"Great for me, screw everyone else."


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Cic got his free education, now when he is a taxpayer, he doesn't want to pay for any one else to
be educated.
"Great for me, screw everyone else."


Quite the contrary!  My "schooling" wasn't "free". The nation is $16 trillion in debt, my taxes are outrageous, and my savings are disappearing with inflation.  

Typical liberal economics - "free education".  I guess Catholic School also do a poor job teaching economics.


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Quite the contrary!  My "schooling" wasn't "free". The nation is $16 trillion in debt, my taxes are outrageous, and my savings are disappearing with inflation.  

Typical liberal economics - "free education".  I guess Catholic School also do a poor job teaching economics.


Maybe if you had actually paid for your education, you'd appreciate it.


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Maybe if you had actually paid for your education, you'd appreciate it.


I did pay for my education and schooling.  Unless my parents paying taxes and me continuing to pay school taxes which pay for my retired public school teachers pension and medical isn't paying for it.  It's "free" right?


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