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Lol...Harry Reid voted against it!  

Box wants to blame a junior Senator from Kentucky, a State with 8 electoral votes.  Hahahahaha!!!!

Guns won't even be an issue in the 2014 mid terms.  The Economy will. Except for the retiring Jay Rockefeller's seat that is up for election in West Virginia.  Do West Virginians want two gun grabbing democrat senators?


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Lol...Harry Reid voted against it!  

Box wants to blame a junior Senator from Kentucky, a State with 8 electoral votes.  Hahahahaha!!!!

Guns won't even be an issue in the 2014 mid terms.  The Economy will. Except for the retiring Jay Rockefeller's seat that is up for election in West Virginia.  Do West Virginians want two gun grabbing democrat senators?


Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid voted against the amendment, a procedural measure, so that
Democrats could bring the bill up again... Round 2.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid voted against the amendment, a procedural measure, so that
Democrats could bring the bill up again... Round 2.


He brought a bill forward that FAILED.  He wants to fail again?  I understand the procedural move, but he couldn't get his own party in line.  90% allegedly support anti gun legislation, yet his own democrats didn't buy it.  EGG ON FACE!


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honestly......i'm tired of seeing gabby's face as the poster child for the anti-2nd amendment folks.
in all due respect here...gabby got the best medical treathment/rehab known to man!!
the average taxpaying slug has a limited amount of rehab.....not the case with ms. gabby.

nothing personal here....but she is nothing more than a puppet being used by the self-serving government.

if ms gabby really wants to be  effective.....if she can act on her own......stand up and speak out against the drone strikes that her countrymen are using to kill the INNOCENT in other countries who don't have access to the 'special' medical care ms gabby receives.

I would love to have a personal, private, one on one conversation with ms gabby to see exactly what she is and isn't capable of saying or doing on her own and of her 'own' mind.......or is she just being political fodder for the puppeteers? i chose to believe the later.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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He brought a bill forward that FAILED.  He wants to fail again?  I understand the procedural move, but he couldn't get his own party in line.  90% allegedly support anti gun legislation, yet his own democrats didn't buy it.  EGG ON FACE!


Yup.  Some democrats are so afraid of the Blood Money Big NRA that they will slit their own
throat before they'd cross the NRA.  
Their calculated guess is that the public will forget about gun violence before the 2014 elections.


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Yup.  Some democrats are so afraid of the Blood Money Big NRA that they will slit their own
throat before they'd cross the NRA.  
Their calculated guess is that the public will forget about gun violence before the 2014 elections.


I'll bet those Senators were promised lots of campaign cash from the DNC to defend their seats.  The NRA doesn't have nearly as much money as the DNC.  They read the REAL polls, not the propaganda public polls, that's why they voted NO.


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I'll bet those Senators were promised lots of campaign cash from the DNC to defend their seats.  The NRA doesn't have nearly as much money as the DNC.  They read the REAL polls, not the propaganda public polls, that's why they voted NO.

All 100 Senators, their party, their NRA rating and their GunOwners of America rating

NO Democrat gets an A Rating from both the NRA and the Gun Owners
Only one Republican gets an F Rating from both the NRA and the Gun Owners


Senator     State     Party     NRA     Gun Owners

Inhofe     Okla.     R     A+     A+
Thune     S.D.     R     A+     A+
Cruz     Texas     R     A+     A
Wicker     Miss.     R     A+     A
Chambliss     Ga.     R     A+     A-
Crapo     Idaho     R     A+     A-
Sessions     Ala.     R     A+     A-
Shelby     Ala.     R     A+     A-
Hatch     Utah     R     A+     B-
Baucus     Mont.     D     A+     D-
Boozman     Ark.     R     A     A+
Coburn     Okla.     R     A     A+
Vitter     La.     R     A     A+
Barrasso     Wyo.     R     A     A
Blunt     Mo.     R     A     A
Burr     N.C.     R     A     A
Cornyn     Texas     R     A     A
Fischer     Neb.     R     A     A
Flake     Ariz.     R     A     A
Heller     Nev.     R     A     A
Hoeven     N.D.     R     A     A
Johanns     Neb.     R     A     A
McConnell     Ky.     R     A     A
Moran     Kan.     R     A     A
Scott     S.C.     R     A     A
Cochran     Miss.     R     A     A-
Enzi     Wyo.     R     A     A-
Grassley     Iowa     R     A     A-
Isakson     Ga.     R     A     A-
Risch     Idaho     R     A     A-
Roberts     Kan.     R     A     A-
Toomey     Pa.     R     A     A-
Ayotte     N.H.     R     A     -
Murkowski     Alaska     R     A     B
Portman     Ohio     R     A     B
Graham     S.C.     R     A     B-
Alexander     Tenn.     R     A     C
Corker     Tenn.     R     A     C
Donnelly     Ind.     D     A     C-
Heinrich     N.M.     D     A     D
Manchin     W.Va.     D     A     D
Casey     Pa.     D     A     F
T. Johnson     S.D.     D     A     F
Warner     Va.     D     A     F
Lee     Utah     R     AQ     A
Paul     Ky.     R     AQ     A
Heitkamp     N.D.     D     AQ     -
R. Johnson     Wis.     R     AQ     -
Begich     Alaska     D     AQ     D
Tester     Mont.     D     A-     F
Rubio     Fla.     R     B+     A
McCain     Ariz.     R     B+     C-
Reid     Nev.     D     B     F-
Coats     Ind.     R     C+     C
Collins     Maine     R     C+     D-
Bennet     Colo.     D     C+     F-
Landrieu     La.     D     C     F
Leahy     Vt.     D     C     F
M. Udall     Colo.     D     C     F
Pryor     Ark.     D     C-     F
T. Udall     N.M.     D     C-     F
Rockefeller     W.Va.     D     D     F
Sanders     Vt.     I     D-     F
Coons     Del.     D     F     D
Baldwin     Wis.     D     F     F
Brown     Ohio     D     F     F
Cantwell     Wash.     D     F     F
Franken     Minn.     D     F     F
Hagan     N.C.     D     F     F
Harkin     Iowa     D     F     F
Hirono     Hawaii     D     F     F
Inouye     Hawaii     D     F     F
Kaine     Va.     D     F     F
Klobuchar     Minn.     D     F     F
McCaskill     Mo.     D     F     F
Merkley     Ore.     D     F     F
Murray     Wash.     D     F     F
Nelson     Fla.     D     F     F
Shaheen     N.H.     D     F     F
Stabenow     Mich.     D     F     F
Warren     Mass.     D     F     F
Blumenthal     Conn.     D     F     F-
Boxer     Calif.     D     F     F-
Cardin     Md.     D     F     F-
Carper     Del.     D     F     F-
Durbin     Ill.     D     F     F-
Feinstein     Calif.     D     F     F-
Gillibrand     N.Y.     D     F     F-
Kerry     Mass.     D     F     F-
Kirk     Ill.     R     F     F-
Lautenberg     N.J.     D     F     F-
Levin     Mich.     D     F     F-
Menendez     N.J.     D     F     F-
Mikulski     Md.     D     F     F-
Murphy     Conn.     D     F     F-
Reed     R.I.     D     F     F-
Schumer     N.Y.     D     F     F-
Whitehouse     R.I.     D     F     F-
Wyden     Ore.     D     F     F-
King     Maine     I     -     -

Big Money Buys  NRA Senators


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Box, do you think the average American looks at NRA ratings?  I doubt it.


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We Won a Stunning Victory Today!



Thursday, 18 April 2013 00:15 Written by Gun Owners of America





“Schumer’s spokesman Brian Fallon took note of Gun Owners of America’s role in the debate, tweeting a link to the [New York] Times profile and saying the group ‘is making deal on even background checks extremely hard.’” - TPM Media, “Democrats Blame Gun Owners of America for Gun Control Setback,” April 8, 2013


You guys did it. We all did it - together!

For four months, the laughing hyenas on MSNBC and in the White House have been cackling hysterically about the “bitter clingers” who actually own guns and value the Second Amendment.

Well, who’s laughing now?

The TPM quote above indicated - more than a week ago - that things weren’t going well for anti-gun Democrats. The New York Times also lamented on April 3 that:

The group [GOA] has already been successful in both freezing senators, particularly Republicans, who have appeared to be on the fence about supporting bills to expand background checks.

Have you ever wondered if your activism makes any difference at all? Well, today, you saw a dramatic answer to that question, as we won an incredible victory.

You guys scorched the Senate offices with phone calls. Many of you reported to us that their phones were ringing endlessly (as they were busy handling other calls) ... that in many cases your Senator’s mailboxes were full ... and in some cases, that they even hung up on you.

Today was a textbook example of how grassroots activism makes a difference!  But even still, you can be sure that the gun grabbers will be back soon, trying hard to resurrect this issue.

And that’s why your GOA will remain ever vigilant and will alert you to any proposed infringements of your liberty.



Here are the highlights of what happened today:

(1) The most important vote was the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer national gun registry proposal. With 60 votes needed for passage, the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer amendment was shot down by a vote of 54-46.

GOA and NRA strongly opposed the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer amendment. But we were surprised to see that another gun group - not only said they supported the Toomey language, but - said they helped write the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer text. Thankfully, their support for this gun control language was not enough to get it passed.

(2) The Cornyn-Vitter-Thune amendment - pushed hard by Gun Owners of America - received a 57-43 vote (so we fell three votes short since 60 were needed). This provision would have allowed concealed carry holders and persons in constitutional carry states to carry nationwide. The overwhelming vote on this amendment sets the stage for bringing it up again and again on must-pass legislation.

(3) As predicted, the Feinstein gun ban lost by a vote of 40-60 - falling far short of a majority - and the magazine ban lost by a vote of 46-54.

Today is a day to celebrate! We thank God for all of you and for all the Help that we have received in this long struggle to stop infringements of our liberties.

Here’s what is still left for tomorrow.

Harry Reid’s bill (S. 649) is still on the floor of the Senate, and there are two scheduled votes that will take place tomorrow. Eventually, the Senate will vote on whether to end debate on the bill (known as cloture), but that vote won’t necessarily take place tomorrow. The Senate will need 60 votes to end debate, but if they can’t reach that threshold, the bill effectively dies.

So GOA is telling Senators to vote AGAINST cloture on the bill, whenever that vote comes.

ACTION: We think that we can defeat cloture on final passage of the bill. But, to be safe, GOA is encouraging activists to contact their Senators and urge them oppose cloture! You can reach them at 202-224-3121.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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All but three of the 45 senators who torpedoed gun control measures in Congress on Wednesday
have received money from firearms lobbyists, according to new analysis by the Guardian and the
Sunlight Foundation.

Some, such as Indiana Republican Dan Coats, registered donations from pro-shooting groups
as recently as three weeks ago, when the proposal to extend background checks was still
seen as likely to pass.


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Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence Summary

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00113449

90% of Americans support gun control, but they didn't give a dime to the high profile anti gun lobby Brady Campaign. Too funny.


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Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence Summary

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00113449

90% of Americans support gun control, but they didn't give a dime to the high profile anti gun lobby Brady Campaign. Too funny.


Liberals are the cheapest, none wish to donate to their causes, although many say that they do.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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Liberals are the cheapest, none wish to donate to their causes, although many say that they do.


I'm sure box contributed 100's of dollars to one of the many gun control lobbies.  Not just him, but also the 90% of Americans that want gun control.  These gun control lobbies are probably flush with cash ready for 2014.  LOL


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I'm sure box contributed 100's of dollars to one of the many gun control lobbies.  Not just him, but also the 90% of Americans that want gun control.  These gun control lobbies are probably flush with cash ready for 2014.  LOL


He said he donated to Americans for Reasonable Solutions, then a month later the founder is caught buying a AR-15 with 30 mags   I get a warm feeling thinking that boxes money might have been used for the purchase of that rifle, even though the dealer stopped the sale.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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YUP!  Mark Kelly shows just how easy it is to buy an AR15.  

As a gun owner and supporter of the 2nd amendment, Kelly and wife Gabby both own guns.
Mark discusses buying a .45 in this video.
I, like Mark support the 2nd amendment and own guns, but like Mark, we both think that
there is no place for assault weapons like the AR15 in civilian situations.



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