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DemocraticVoiceOfReason
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The same politicians who claim to be concerned for the lives of our children and want to step all over the 2nd amendment -- are the same ones who have promoted the Culture of Death that has denied the most basic Human Right -- the Right to Life -- to over 50,000,000 Americans since the early 1970's.   Any politician who is pro-death (that is pro-abortion) has ABSOLUTELY no credibility in my mind -- when it comes to the debate on Constitutional Rights and Public Safety.  

Hubert Humphrey once said that the test of a society was how it treated and protected the weakest, the most vulnerable, the members of society without a voice ----- by Humphrey's standard  Obama, the Pelosi-palooza pro-death squad in Congress and others in our own state capitals who wish to extend the culture of death even further are an abomination to the founding principles of the Democratic party.

Make America safe for all of its children --- vote pro-deathers out of office and vote pro-life.


For the record --- Lyndon Johnson, Hubert Humphrey, George McGovern and John Kennedy (and his brother-in-law Sargent Shriver and brother Robert F. Kennedy)  were pro-life  --- so to anyone who wants to argue that in order to be a "good, loyal Democrat" one has to be pro-death/pro-abortion my response is "bull manure".


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Make America safe for all of its children --- vote pro-deathers out of office and vote pro-life.


I am pro-life. I can however, accept pro-choice. I can't accept pro-war or executions without due process.

Real pro-life candidates are very few. Most candidates that are pro-life regarding abortion support killing
people in military actions that never did anything to any American.

Military invasions are unacceptable without a declaration of war. Invading to police the world is unacceptable.

Military action supporters are pro-deathers.

You can't pick and choose different types of killings to support.

The abortion issue I accept that others believe differently and the matter stays within their own family.
The government has no place regulating family matters. Also, those who believe in abortion rights will
erase themselves from the majority as they fail to reproduce. The matter will eventually self correct.

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I am pro-life. I can however, accept pro-choice. I can't accept pro-war or executions without due process.

Real pro-life candidates are very few. Most candidates that are pro-life regarding abortion support killing
people in military actions that never did anything to any American.

Military invasions are unacceptable without a declaration of war. Invading to police the world is unacceptable.

Military action supporters are pro-deathers.

You can't pick and choose different types of killings to support.

The abortion issue I accept that others believe differently and the matter stays within their own family.
The government has no place regulating family matters. Also, those who believe in abortion rights will
erase themselves from the majority as they fail to reproduce. The matter will eventually self correct.



Personally, I am pro-life across the board when it comes to abortion (opposed), the death penalty (opposed) and euthanasia (opposed).   Military action is a separate issue -- because unfortunately sometimes it is necessary to go to war to defend ones nation, protect human rights, etc ...  but of course .. military action should be the last resort after all other efforts (diplomatic and economic sanctions, etc.)

You said that the government has no place regulating "family matters" -- but that is a tenuous argument - at best.   Would you say that the government has no right to stop a spouse from abusing his/her spouse or a parent from abusing his/her child?   Because in some cultures that is considered a "family matter."  

The government has the right and I would argue the responsibility to protect ALL life.  It is not logical to say that  "I support life except .... (fill in the blank)."   You either support ALL human life or you don't support life.


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The government has the right and I would argue the responsibility to protect ALL life.  It is not logical to say that  "I support life except .... (fill in the blank)."   You either support ALL human life or you don't support life.


I support all life. Abortion is beyond my control.
I am forced to accept it.
I will vote against it whenever it is possible.
I am against the death penalty.
I am against the use of drones.
I am against police killing of suspects except when unavoidable. In NYS the law states deadly
force may only be used to repel a threat of serious injury or death, except that you have an
obligation to safely avoid the use of force by fleeing, if possible, before using deadly force.
I agree with this law. I object to police being exempted from the duty to retreat safely part.
This ultimately leads to death after death, without due process.

You support war.

That is not across the board. It is selective.

There hasn't ever been an actual justified war in our lifetime.



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I support all life.





seriously, do you know the definition of life ?


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I support all life. Abortion is beyond my control.
I am forced to accept it.
I will vote against it whenever it is possible.
I am against the death penalty.
I am against the use of drones.
I am against police killing of suspects except when unavoidable. In NYS the law states deadly
force may only be used to repel a threat of serious injury or death, except that you have an
obligation to safely avoid the use of force by fleeing, if possible, before using deadly force.
I agree with this law. I object to police being exempted from the duty to retreat safely part.
This ultimately leads to death after death, without due process.

You support war.

That is not across the board. It is selective.

There hasn't ever been an actual justified war in our lifetime.





You aren't being consistent in your argument --- abortion is NOT beyond your control --- we are not forced to accept it.  You are being selective in saying "abortion is beyond my control."

As for war -- I did not say that I support all wars or war as a normal way to resolve issues-- I said that sometimes war is necessary to defend oneself or to protect others and/or to protect human rights.   War should be avoided -- if at all possible -- by attempting to resolve the situation in other ways (diplomatic, economic sanctions, etc.)   but certainly there are times when war is necessary  -- such as stopping Hitler and the Holocaust.

As for drones and police use of deadly force, I have never said that I support them.  I am extremely concerned by the current administration's seemingly open-ended policy when it comes to drones. The police use of deadly force is another matter --- again, there may be rare circumstances when it is unavoidable but the preference should be to find other means of resolving the situation.  


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A Gallup poll in the summer of 1972 found 64 percent of Americans agreeing with the statement
that β€œThe decision to have an abortion should be made solely by a woman and her physician.”
A majority of all identified groups, including Catholics, agreed with that statement. There was
almost no difference between men and women.
The group expressing the strongest agreement – 68 percent – was made up of Republicans.

What changed?  The GOP found that it could win elections if they shifted their view to include the
Extremist Christians.   Thus the Republicans moved to the Right... and they are so far to the Right today
their party is in shambles.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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You aren't being consistent in your argument --- abortion is NOT beyond your control --- we are not forced to accept it.  You are being selective in saying "abortion is beyond my control."

As for war -- I did not say that I support all wars or war as a normal way to resolve issues-- I said that sometimes war is necessary to defend oneself or to protect others and/or to protect human rights.   War should be avoided -- if at all possible -- by attempting to resolve the situation in other ways (diplomatic, economic sanctions, etc.)   but certainly there are times when war is necessary  -- such as stopping Hitler and the Holocaust.

As for drones and police use of deadly force, I have never said that I support them.  I am extremely concerned by the current administration's seemingly open-ended policy when it comes to drones. The police use of deadly force is another matter --- again, there may be rare circumstances when it is unavoidable but the preference should be to find other means of resolving the situation.  



didn't know you had a vag!na.....

if you don't, you have no valid point either as a cheerleader for/against.....it's not your locker room...or do you have
a peep hole?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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seriously, do you know the definition of life ?


Apparently you have a different version than I do.

I don't support the taking of a life except in self defense when there is no other option.

That is pretty clear cut.

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You aren't being consistent in your argument --- abortion is NOT beyond your control --- we are not forced to accept it.  You are being selective in saying "abortion is beyond my control."

As for war -- I did not say that I support all wars or war as a normal way to resolve issues-- I said that sometimes war is necessary to defend oneself or to protect others and/or to protect human rights.   War should be avoided -- if at all possible -- by attempting to resolve the situation in other ways (diplomatic, economic sanctions, etc.)   but certainly there are times when war is necessary  -- such as stopping Hitler and the Holocaust.

As for drones and police use of deadly force, I have never said that I support them.  I am extremely concerned by the current administration's seemingly open-ended policy when it comes to drones. The police use of deadly force is another matter --- again, there may be rare circumstances when it is unavoidable but the preference should be to find other means of resolving the situation.  


I see you are being even more inconsistent than me.

My single vote can't change abortion laws. I will vote against abortion whenever possible.

I will vote against those who want to be aggressive militarily.

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Apparently you have a different version than I do.

I don't support the taking of a life except in self defense when there is no other option.

That is pretty clear cut.



the problem is  that neither you, nor box, democratic voice or a 100 scientist in a room are able to define life.  biology 101 doesnt either

go ahead- give it a try


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the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms,
being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation
to environment through changes originating internally.


Life can be something we value or something we detest... From people to cancer... it's all life.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Life


Life can be something we value or something we detest... From people to cancer... it's all life.


Which one do you detest more - human life or cancer?


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Which one do you detest more - human life or cancer?


I don't detest either as life... Cancer is a mutation of cells that kills it's host... I detest what it does
just as I detest the actions of some people.



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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didn't know you had a vag!na.....

if you don't, you have no valid point either as a cheerleader for/against.....it's not your locker room...or do you have
a peep hole?


That is one of the stupidest arguments ever made.  I suppose you would argue that only Jewish people could oppose NAZI death camps and other anti-semitic laws.

The FACT of the matter is that EVERYONE has a right to speak out against Human Rights violations and violations of the U.S. Constitution  and something that is grossly immoral ---- and abortion is all three of those.


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