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Box A Rox
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Utah is considering a law banning people from smoking in cars with children aboard. Is this a good idea?
Gazette Poll at 3:53pm
Yes     69%     16 votes
No     30%     7 votes
Total Votes: 23


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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why not....one has the option of banning a birth from happening


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I bet most of us here grew up with parents who smoked in their cars or houses, we are all still here. People now know more about the dangers but we don't need a law to enforce it, education over the years have cut down those who allow their kids around their smoke.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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the law is so that national healthcare will appear to be 'well managed' and FORCED


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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U.S. Surgeon General Statements on Children and Secondhand Smoke
• “Secondhand smoke contains more than 250 chemicals known to be toxic or carcinogenic,
including formaldehyde, benzene, vinyl chloride, arsenic, ammonia, and hydrogen cyanide.
Children who are exposed to secondhand smoke are inhaling many of the same cancer-causing
substances and poisons as smokers.”
• “Because their bodies are developing, infants and young children are especially vulnerable to the
poisons in secondhand smoke.”
• “Both babies whose mothers smoke while pregnant and babies who are exposed to secondhand
smoke after birth are more likely to die from sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) than babies who
are not exposed to cigarette smoke.”
• “Babies whose mothers smoke while pregnant or who are exposed to secondhand smoke after birth
have weaker lungs than other babies, which increases the risk for many health problems.”
• “Secondhand smoke exposure causes acute lower respiratory infections such as bronchitis and
pneumonia in infants and young children.”
• “Secondhand smoke exposure causes children who already have asthma to experience more
frequent and severe attacks.”
• “Secondhand smoke exposure causes respiratory symptoms, including cough, phlegm, wheeze, and
breathlessness, among school-aged children.”
• “Children exposed to secondhand smoke are at increased risk for ear infections and are more likely to
need an operation to insert ear tubes for drainage.”
• “The Surgeon General has concluded that the only way to fully protect yourself and your loved ones
from the dangers of secondhand smoke is through 100% smoke-free environments.”
• “If you are a smoker, the single best way to protect your family from secondhand smoke is to quit
smoking. In the meantime, you can protect your family by making your home and vehicles smokefree
and only smoking outside.”
American Academy of Pediatrics’


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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having sex causes pregnancy which can cause the possible viable birth of a human which can cause the possible
choice of being a criminal in society.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Utah is considering a law banning people from smoking in cars with children aboard. Is this a good idea?
Gazette Poll at 3:53pm
Yes     69%     16 votes
No     30%     7 votes
Total Votes: 23


Gazette Poll 23 votes!

That's really scientific, and absolutely has nothing to do with the wishes of the people of Utah.

The choices should have been:

Yes
No
I can raise my kids without governmental supervision.
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Yes     73%     30 votes
No     26%     11 votes
Total Votes: 41
7:13pm


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Gazette polls

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7:58 pm


Utah is considering a law banning people from smoking in cars with children aboard. Is this a good idea?


Yes 47% 31 votes
No 52% 34 votes
Total Votes: 65  

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Note: This is not a scientific poll.


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The Gazette clearly stated this is not a scientific poll.

Plus children can easily vote as many times as they like.

You must not have the proper genetic code to perform such tasks.
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After years of failure, a bill to outlaw smoking in cars with children is now one stop away
from finally becoming law.

The Senate Health and Human Services Committee voted 4-1 Wednesday to pass HB13, and sent
it to the full Senate. It earlier passed the House 41-30.

A long parade of medical and youth protection organizations testified for it Wednesday as a needed
step to protect children’s health. It was opposed by only one group — the conservative Utah
Eagle Forum, which argued it infringes on parental rights, could someday lead to banning smoking
in homes or lead to child abuse charges against smoking parents.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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I'm sorry, the matter has already been decided by the Gazette poll.

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oh...Box and those pesky kids that made it to the world to see the sun and the haze.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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oh...Box and those pesky kids that made it to the world to see the sun and the haze.....


Ban Monsanto and save lives.

California doesn't even allow adults to smoke in cars when they are alone.

Gazette polls

8:30 pm

Utah is considering a law banning people from smoking in cars with children aboard. Is this a good idea?
Thanks for your vote.

Yes 38% 34 votes
No 61% 55 votes
Total Votes: 89  
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ban everything

only allow things once people get a paid permit from the glorious all-powerful government


that includes breathing


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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ban everything

only allow things once people get a paid permit from the glorious all-powerful government


that includes breathing


Obviously it takes the Federal government to raise a child properly.

I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who first said that.

Or maybe I'm thinking of George Jefferson.


















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