This is a serious post. I know something about the subject of this video. I know something about using a gun in an extremely stressful situation. I know something about how it isn't like you imagine it to be, and how your reactions may not be what you expect them to be.
Watch the video and please comment. I would be interested to hear your reactions.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Yeah I seen that before and I will bet money the shooter knew exactly who to aim for before going into that room. Now here is a question, in that situation would you rather be unarmed or armed? There is a chance you still might be shot even if armed, however wouldn't you want the ability to atleast try to protect yourself rather then zero chance. Another thing is look at where the police position the pistol on their bodies, it looks as if it is at the 1 o'clock position which isn't a good place or a natural way of drawing a pistol, add the fact that she is wearing heavy clothing and a face mask and this scenario gets more unrealistic.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
IDPA training simulates actual situations and measures resonses by use of competition.
IDPA training is available locally.
The International Defensive Pistol Association (IDPA) is the governing body of a shooting sport that simulates self-defense scenarios and real life encounters. It was founded in 1996 as a response to the desires of shooters worldwide. The organization now boasts membership of more than 17,008, including members in 50 foreign countries. One of the unique facets of this sport is that it is geared toward the new or average shooter, yet is fun, challenging and rewarding for the experienced shooter. The founders developed the sport so that practical gear and practical guns may be used competitively. An interested person can spend a minimal amount on equipment and still be competitive. The main goal is to test the skill and ability of the individual, not equipment or gamesmanship. “Competition only” equipment is not permitted in this sport. The firearms are grouped into five (5) divisions: 1) Custom Defensive Pistol (.45ACP semi-automatics only); 2) Enhanced Service Pistol (9mm (9x19) or larger caliber semi-automatics); 3) Stock Service Pistol (9mm (9x19) or larger caliber double action, double action only, or safe action semi-automatics); 4) Enhanced Service Revolver (.38 caliber or larger double action revolvers); and 5) Stock Service Revolver (.38 caliber or larger double action revolvers). See Appendix One – Equipment for delineations in the revolver divisions. Shooters are then classed by like-skill levels with progression from Novice (NV); to Marksman (MM); to Sharpshooter (SS); to Expert (EX); and, finally, to Master (MA). --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New York State tries to force people into hunting and target shooting mindset only.
Just for the record, the Florida pistol license can be purchased by mail and is valid in 31 states.
Pistol safety course certificate, your photo and fingerprints must be submitted with your check for $100 to the Florida Dept. of Agriculture. It is sent in the mail and comes with instructions on when it is proper to shoot people and when it is not. It is not a hunting and target shooting license only.
You both consider yourself to be better trained than a combat Marine in a war zone, to respond reasonably to an unknown surprise life or death situation... even when those combat Marines don't always respond the way that they were trained to...yea sure. You have no idea.
You see it like in the movies, and you consider yourself to be better trained than experts, even police who have the same problems even when they EXPECT to use their weapons.
You really just don't get it. I hope you never have to learn that lesson the hard way.
You both act like a person who's read a book about riding a bike... and studied bikes... but never actually ridden one. YOU KNOW IT ALL, but the first time you get on the bike... you fall on your face. Then maybe you understand that it's not like you imagined it would be.
Have you ever heard of Buck Fever? A very good shot at the rifle range will empty his gun with out ever firing a shot (bolt action, or pump) and swear that he shot at the deer 4 or 5 times... AND NO ONE IS SHOOTING BACK AT HIM. That wouldn't happen to you would it? That only happens to other people... but you KNOW IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN TO YOU.
The video that I posted is what really happens. The blonde pulled her weapon but was shot several times before she fired her piece. And that was PLAY, not real. But you... YOU ARE DIFFERENT HUH?
Again, You really just don't get it.
Well, I tried. Posting that video was a waste of time.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
L4L posted articles all week about how common everyday people, some not trained very well, defending their families when confronted with an armed intruder. The intruder may not be very well trained and not be able to shoot accurately like the pistol training instructor did. Everyone acts differently when under stress including police officers that empty their clips and only hit what they aim at a couple of times.
To box it was a waste of time, we were supposed to say "oh look having a gun doesn't make a difference, I guess I should just sit here and get executed". People fighting back won't help boxes agenda but people being killed with no way to protect themselves will, which side do you want to be on. Then you got to laugh at his response how he knows better he was a marine, well box are the marines going to be there when someone kicks in your door,no, neither will the police. All scenarios are different and no nobody can train for every scenario but they can train to give them a better fighting chance. There is many courses out there people can take, most practice drills can be done inside ones home be it speed reloads to quicker draws, don't buy the bs that training won't matter when the real deal is happening because it will. What box is saying is completely dangerous and should not even be taken seriously.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
To box it was a waste of time, we were supposed to say "oh look having a gun doesn't make a difference, I guess I should just sit here and get executed". People fighting back won't help boxes agenda but people being killed with no way to protect themselves will, which side do you want to be on. Then you got to laugh at his response how he knows better he was a marine, well box are the marines going to be there when someone kicks in your door,no, neither will the police. All scenarios are different and no nobody can train for every scenario but they can train to give them a better fighting chance. There is many courses out there people can take, most practice drills can be done inside ones home be it speed reloads to quicker draws, don't buy the bs that training won't matter when the real deal is happening because it will. What box is saying is completely dangerous and should not even be taken seriously.
Might as well just turn in our guns and go sit quietly in Schenectady and wait to be killed in the Schenectady death lottery.
You both consider yourself to be better trained than a combat Marine in a war zone, to respond reasonably to an unknown surprise life or death situation... even when those combat Marines don't always respond the way that they were trained to...yea sure.
you just brought out the point everyone is trying to make....trained by WHO/WHAT? for what reasons? and are they reasonable reasons? what is more reasonable?
I certainly don't purport to be a trained arms expert/killer/defense man or military 'expert'...
but I do consider my human ability and right to question who is more reasonable at my self defense/food/water/housing etc.... and I'm sure my standard is the same as yours
pom poms not allowed here....
but splitting of hairs IS required....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
It is best to surrender all of your weapons and then we will all be "safer." Just as Hitler, or Box. They are one in the same.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
It is best to surrender all of your weapons and then we will all be "safer." Just as Hitler, or Box. They are one in the same.
LOL! It must have been a month or two since the Republican election disaster of 2012... so Graham feels "safe" posting again. He needs to build his courage to get ready for 2016!
Quoted from GrahamBonnet October 28, 2012, 17:28 Wow, according to the little twerp, Obama is gonna win all the swing states with giant margins. Apparently the national polls that have turn-out models even more dumbocrap than 2008 are all wet, and Obama is ahead in reality. Can these Manhattan elitists be in any greater sense of denial about what is coming? I am thrilled you sit in your time warp and fool yourselves all day. That is perfect! Or Quoted from GrahamBonnet October 28, 2012, 12:37 They gotta' get the boogie man revived for when the worst president in history is dumped" R A C I S M ! ! ! ! ! Or Quoted from GrahamBonnet October 28, 2012, 11:00 So obviosly the Democrap PPP organization expects mostly only democraps to vote this year while for the first time in history the GOP and independents stay home. If this hack group decided to actually poll people other than democraps I would hate to see the look on Box's face. hey Boxy, how is that debate 'victory' working out for the Prez?
It worked out great Graham!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Actually I work about 18 hours a day, not having the union lob 'protection' this time of year.
oH, Obama won and I was wrong. Wow. At least I am not a huge a**hole with no friends who wants to tyrannize people like Boxedcox
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
It is best to surrender all of your weapons and then we will all be "safer." Just as Hitler, or Box. They are one in the same.
Graham prides himself as being an "educated" person. (If he is, he hides it well!)
The NRA Propaganda of "surrendering your weapons" has taken hold in Graham's brain, as well as many who post on this board. They've all heard it, and repeated it... of course the "educated" and even the barely educated know that Adolph Hitler DID NOT disarm Germany... in fact Adolph Hitler loosened Germany's strict gun laws to make it easier for Citizens to own guns.
I know... this information does not fit the Rabid Right's agenda, and the GunHuggers will just ignore the facts as usual... but in the interest of "educating" a few on this board...
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Gun registration and licensing (for long guns as well as for handguns) were legislated by an anti-National Socialist government in Germany in 1928, five years before the National Socialists gained power. Hitler became Chancellor on January 30, 1933. Five years later his government got around to rewriting the gun law enacted a decade earlier by his predecessors, substantially improving it in the process (for example, long guns were exempted from the requirement for a purchase permit; the legal age for gun ownership was lowered from 20 to 18 years; the period of validity of a permit to carry weapons was extended from one to three years; and provisions restricting the amount of ammunition or the number of firearms an individual could own were dropped). Hitler's government may be criticized for leaving certain restrictions and licensing requirements in the law, but the National Socialists had no intention of preventing law-abiding Germans from keeping or bearing arms. Again, the firearms law enacted by Hitler's government enhanced the rights of Germans to keep and bear arms; no new restrictions were added, and many pre-existing restrictions were relaxed or eliminated.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
That's completely false, restrictions were tightened around 1938 which led to no firearms for jews the year later, where the hell did you find that BS article, did you write it yourself and just put it in quotes.
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
That's completely false, restrictions were tightened around 1938 which led to no firearms for jews the year later, where the hell did you find that BS article, did you write it yourself and just put it in quotes.
The 1938 German Weapons Act
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The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." Under the new law:
Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. Writes Prof. Bernard Harcourt of the University of Chicago, "The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition." The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted. The age at which persons could own guns was lowered from 20 to 18. The firearms carry permit was valid for three years instead of one year. Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition. Under both the 1928 and 1938 acts, gun manufacturers and dealers were required to maintain records with information about who purchased guns and the guns' serial numbers. These records were to be delivered to a police authority for inspection at the end of each year.
On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, passed Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation effectively deprived all Jews of the right to possess firearms or other weapons.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
So gun laws were loosened for the Aryan race and the jews were prohibited from owning them at all... So how is that inconsistent with Germany's campaign to separate (and then eliminate) a particular segment of the population? Sounds like a confirmation of the oppression theory being bounded about this board?
"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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