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Certain neo-liberals would like you to believe that the Democrats won a huge victory in November.  Tax and spend neo-liberals like Obama and certain Pelosipalooza Congresspeople think that they now have a blank check from the American voters to raise taxes and spend us further into debt.

The FACT is that the president was only reelected by a 3% margin -- hardly something to brag about -- and the Republicans retained control of the House of Representatives.  That means just less than HALF of Americans wanted something other than the asinine tax and spend policies that Obama and the Pelosipalooza are advocating.  The FACT is that many life-long Democrats are fed up with the far left ward tilt of our party and the audacity of certain elected Federal representatives to REFUSE to even listen - let alone answer - the questions and concerns of area voters.

My hope is that the House Republicans stand firm and refuse to be buffaloed by the bullshitter-in-chief who has failed to produce a budget of any kind in over 3 years.  Don't be suckered into agreeing to tax increases and don't back down from DEMANDING and GETTING real cuts in Federal spending.  

The fight for REAL spending and tax reform is far from over.  2014 and 2016 will be opportunities to send the Pelosipalooza packing for good and finally electing a president who knows how to govern and is not a hard core left-wing extremist.


George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
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Certain neo-liberals would like you to believe that the Democrats won a huge victory in November.


YEA!     They did!

The Democrats won 50.6% of the votes for president, to 47.8% for the Republicans;
53.6% of the votes for the Senate, to 42.9% for the Republicans;
and...
49% of the votes for the House, to 48.2% for the Republicans.
That's not a vote for divided government. It's a clean sweep....

Many in the Bush Administration were quick to repeat VP Cheney's assertions that
"The Nation Gave Bush A Mandate", with a much smaller victory than Obama's.

By all measures, it's the OBAMA MANDATE!


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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In your dreams.
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In your dreams.


My dreams??? Is there a problem with my facts???

If it was a resounding "MANDATE" for GWB, then it's a much larger "MANDATE" for Obama.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Silly DVR...You still believe in checks and balances.  Don't you know congressional and senate races don't matter?  The president represents the American people, the power balance in congress hold no power.  President is king.


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In your dreams.


Box doesn't believe in the republic.  He's a pure democracy mob rule guy.  Less populated states have no rights.


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Box doesn't believe in the republic.  He's a pure democracy mob rule guy.  Less populated states have no rights.


All states regardless of population have 2 Senators... and America voted for Democrat Senators this past
election!!!

(The Democrats won 53.6% of the votes for the Senate, to 42.9% for the Republicans;


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Silly DVR...You still believe in checks and balances.  Don't you know congressional and senate races don't matter?  The president represents the American people, the power balance in congress hold no power.  President is king.


with the help of the UN.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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it's all about the status quo.....the cliff they are talking about is the 'reset' of the fiat system and the faster than light global
interactions that no one has control over the way they seem fit to use robinhood as the hero......

there IS NO FISCAL CLIFF......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Box doesn't believe in the republic.  He's a pure democracy mob rule guy.  Less populated states have no rights.


There is no Republic.

Republics are public matters, not the private concern or property of the rulers, and where offices of states are directly or
indirectly elected or appointed rather than inherited.

Fascism through corporate control of government is the current system. Property and wealth take priority over individuals
and their rights.



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There is no Republic.

Republics are public matters, not the private concern or property of the rulers, and where offices of states are directly or
indirectly elected or appointed rather than inherited.

Fascism through corporate control of government is the current system. Property and wealth take priority over individuals
and their rights.







only because we allow our value to be measured and allow this fight to continue between rich and poor....

the only way to fix it is to unscrew the vortex that has been built over the generations to 'keep the status quo'

FLAT TAX....KNOW YOUR FOOTING AND WHERE YOU STAND.....the rest of the conversation across America
is obfuscated by stupid 'they have' 'I dont have' 'I want' blah blah blah....

what's value
what's need
what's personal responsibility
etc etc.....

there IS NO FAIR SHARE based on the convoluted system currently in place....they are trying to make up
definitions as if they are full truths and most of America is under educated and ill equipped to check into it, or to have the
time to care, so they sit back and complain and fight amongst each other instead of FOLLOWING THE $$ TRAIL.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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only because we allow our value to be measured and allow this fight to continue between rich and poor....

the only way to fix it is to unscrew the vortex that has been built over the generations to 'keep the status quo'

FLAT TAX....KNOW YOUR FOOTING AND WHERE YOU STAND.....the rest of the conversation across America
is obfuscated by stupid 'they have' 'I dont have' 'I want' blah blah blah....

what's value
what's need
what's personal responsibility
etc etc.....

there IS NO FAIR SHARE based on the convoluted system currently in place....they are trying to make up
definitions as if they are full truths and most of America is under educated and ill equipped to check into it, or to have the
time to care, so they sit back and complain and fight amongst each other instead of FOLLOWING THE $$ TRAIL.....


Flat tax will be a long tough fight.

I would be happy right now for Wall Street to pay sales taxes on stocks and bond sales.

The stock exchange average sales exceed  $113 billion a day.

That's 9 billion a day if they paid NYS sales tax.

Why do they get a free ride.

Let them find real jobs that actually produce something.

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The world's population is concentrating in cities
The human population is more concentrated than ever before. Europe’s urban sprawl gradually fades as we move eastwards into the steppes of central Asia, soon to re-emerge into the dense networks of people and places in India, China and Japan. The attraction of Australia’s coasts is dramatically revealed, while North America appears to adopt a grid system not just for its streets and road networks, but for distribution of the cities themselves.
Cities exercise enormous control over national economies - even the global economy. They provide jobs, access to the best cultural, educational and health facilities and they act as hubs for communication and transport. Of course, they also cluster massive demands for energy, generate large quantities of waste, and concentrate pollution as well as social hardship.


because they are the railroad of commerce globally....the so called levy is influenced globally in all kinds of trade agreements
all over the globe....say thank you to the UN and it's multiple arms.....

today the fiscal cliff is actually the choice between sovereignty and global lingo.....choice is at hand....

there is no fiscal cliff....currently it's just a choice of who is our master


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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5 Ways Millennials Are Getting Screwed By the Fiscal Cliff 2013
Alex RauschinMillennials,Activism 1 day ago
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5 Ways Millennials Are Getting Screwed By the Fiscal Cliff 2013

Americans are all about to get royally screwed by the fiscal cliff unless our politicians do something to avoid it by the end of this month, and that's looking less and less likely.

"I think the probability is we're going over the cliff," said Erskine Bowles, former co-chair of 2010's unsuccessfully deadlocked (and now just plain dead) Simpson-Bowles debt commission.

While I am still holding to my conviction that "if we're going off the cliff anyway, we may as well jump off together," let us take a moment to pause and consider why this latest economic crisis is going to make millennial's lives just a little bit, or maybe a lot, more miserable.

1) We Need Jobs Dammit - Should we go over the cliff, the overall economy stands to lose 2.8 million jobs between 2013 and 2017. Millennials need jobs, and the fiscal cliff means fewer jobs will be available thanks to the real or perceived difficulties companies face. Here's the rub - even when companies can use more employees, the possibilities of more taxation and fewer investors make them feel that they cannot justify hiring more professionals. When they do decide to hire, often they are looking for someone who is a sure bet.

In my own search for employment, my biggest obstacle are the words "5 years experience required." I may be fully qualified, and even overqualified for some positions, but my experience has been in such a variety of fields from political campaigning to web development that it seems I do not have solid, continuous employment on which a company can judge my potential worth. Since millennials today will have more careers, with more employers and non-traditional jobs than at any point in the past (changing jobs 15 to 20 times throughout their careers), it is harder to fill that old "sure bet" role they want to hire.

Despite the bravado that we heard during the campaign about both Republicans and Democrats wanting to create more jobs, here we are today facing the possibilities of even fewer jobs because they can't agree on the means to help create these jobs. Maybe our politicians don't realize, or care, that the dispute between the parties is itself a big barrier in helping to create jobs because of the uncertainty it creates. If they cared more about people than politics, maybe they would actually find a way to work together instead of just saying it's "my way or the highway."

2) We Didn't Start This Fire, We Just Get to Put it Out - My favorite part of this whole debacle is that a good number of millennials, like me, who didn't come of age until the later 2000s, really had no say in the poor decision making of our parents and the country at large when they decided to elect a neoconservative, puppet war hawk who had no foresight and, in the grand scheme of things, no business being in the Oval Office. President George W. Bush only won because of the success of the Clinton-era policies tacking us back to financial solvency (the state of the economy ranked as the #11 issue among voters in the 2000 election - remember those days?) and the nation's feeling of ease/disinterest in politics as we squabbled over social issues for lack of anything better to argue about. As often happens during the good times, the nation didn't think about what kind of a leader it would want if a time of turmoil were to be put upon us – where's Captain Hindsight when we need him?

Now, younger millennials are contemplating how exactly they're going to make livings and find their way in the world while our leaders argue whether Reagan or Clinton had the right ideas.

Theoretically, every person wields the same basic amount of political power in the U.S. This is not true - at all - because those with the largest pocketbooks wield the bulk of political power. Given that there aren't enough millennials to replace the baby boomers, the difficulties of finding jobs and the possibility of globalism reducing overall per capita income, millennials may find their political power reduced until the baby boom generation passes and leaves us the messes it created.

3) Forget About the Public Safety Nets - The public safety nets that exist were not designed with the fiscal cliff in mind. Not only will they suffer cuts in funding should we go over the cliff, but more people will be needing them than ever, especially unemployed or underemployed millennials with little savings. Federal food assistance programs like the Supplemental Nutritiona Assistance Program and Women, Infants, and Children Program stand to lose up to a half billion dollars in funding, resulting in fewer allocations to those in need and potential changes in requirements to qualify for these programs.

Other public programs will also suffer including those that reduce crime and domestic violence. Not only will this directly impact millennials who need access to services, it's going to hurt cities themselves. In Kansas City, for example, the city has invested tons of money in revitalizing the downtown area and attracting young people to live in the city itself, but concerns over crime and safety are already hampering their efforts. The fiscal cliff could represent another destructive force for such mid-tier cities as access to services decreases and crime rises as people find unlawful ways to fulfill their needs.

4) Increased Cynicism - This may seem like an existential danger, but cynicism can be toxic to a democratic system of government. Sure, we're all at least a little cynical when it comes to our government, as we should be, but the failure of our leaders to resolve problems will lead to even less trust in them and the system as a whole. As more millennials come of age, will we ever see an outpouring of support from the young generation like we did for Obama in 2008? Like him or not, it was his message of hope that inspired millennial-age voters to turn out en masse, but the challenges of his presidency and the atmosphere in Washington have reminded us of how pointless it can be to keep believing in such messages. The country bought Obama's message, but it was already too late to stop us from reaching this inevitable cliff.

Since voting is essential to the processes of democratic governance, and as millennials become more disillusioned with the system that seems to continually fail, voter turnout will again fall and power will again concentrate into the hands of those who are not the best the choices for leadership. Eventually this will lead to the election of another George W. Bush, who will lead us to the next fiscal cliff and repeat this painful, pointless cycle over and over again. Next time though, it will be the fault of the millennials who have given up on a system that continues to fail.

5) We May Never Agree On Anything (Ever Again) - On December 4, 2012, Senate Republicans blocked the ratification of a non-binding UN treaty that aimed to assure the enjoyment of all human rights to those with disabilities. Why is this so shocking? Because it mirrors and holds up the Americans with Disabilities Act, in effect in the US since 1990, as a model of rights for the disabled worldwide and would create no new legal rights or procedures within the US itself. The vote, with 61 senators in favor and 38 opposed, failed to receive the required two-thirds majority needed to ratify a treaty. When enacted in 1990, the bill passed the senate 91-6.

Maybe I'm a little biased because I worked at the Dole Institute of Politics and this law was one landmark of Senator Dole's political career (not to mention one of the most personally important to him), but when I heard about this Senate failure I was shocked. The reason for the opposition was largely that the treaty created an international advisory committee on disabled rights, and opposed Republican's claim that we would be required to participate in any recommendation the panel makes, infringing on US sovereignty. "This unelected bureaucratic body would pass recommendations that would be forced upon the United States if we were a signatory," said Senator Inhofe. Bush and Obama both signed versions of this treaty. If our congress cannot agree on even this, a non-binding advisory committee that doesn't make any real changes at home and something we have had in this country for the past two decades, is there any hope of ever agreeing on anything? Ever?

I think this is the proof, we're definitely going over the cliff, and if politics continues this way, millennials are definitely screwed.


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Prowling the streets of San Francisco with Square Wallet
SAN FRANCISCO -- There's so many choices. Cupcakes. Pizza. Sandwiches. Artisanal beverages. A chiropractor. Even a world-class speaker series. And that's all just within a few blocks.
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Square launches mobile payment service at 7,000 Starbucks
Mobile payment processor Square will launch its service at 7,000 Starbucks coffeehouses tomorrow.
In addition to processing credit and debit card transactions, Square's agreement with Starbucks allows customers to make purchases at the coffee shops with Square Wallet, Square's payer app. The launch comes three months after the two companies announced an extensive partnership, in which the coffee giant also announced a $25 million investment in the payment startup.
Square Wallet links directly to customers' credit or debit card accounts, allowing users to tap "pay here" or scan a QR code to pay for purchases …Mobile payment processor Square will launch its service at 7,000 Starbucks coffeehouses tomorrow.
In addition to processing credit and debit card transactions, Square's agreement with Starbucks allows customers to make purchases at the coffee shops with Square Wallet, Square's payer app. The launch comes three months after the two companies announced an extensive partnership, in which the coffee giant also announced a $25 million investment in the payment startup.
Square Wallet links directly to customers' credit or debit card accounts, allowing users to tap "pay here" or scan a QR code to pay for purchases without having to worry about reloading the app's available funds. The app, which debuted today for iOS and Android devices, also allows users to explore nearby businesses, browse store and menu information, and review transaction history.
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The area of mobile payments is a hotbed of activity, drawing in disparate players such as Google, PayPal, Visa, and the wireless carriers. The companies see the opportunities that come from adding services on top of mobile payments, as well as the prospect of developing a stronger relationship with customers through their smartphones.
The partnership seems a natural, as Starbucks has been a leading retailer in embracing mobile payments technology. The Seattle-based coffee giant already has an app that allows customers to pay with their phones, locate stores, and check their reward points.
As part of the deal announced in August, Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz would join Square's board of directors.
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there will be no conversation about the 1%ers or 'top earners'.....it wont matter how 'fat' your wallet is.....it's ALL ABOUT
ACCESS.....there IS NO F'EN FAIR SHARE.....GET IT YET? THERE IS NO FISCAL CLIFF.....

it's called FISCAL MORPHING.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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