IMO, our least religious president was Ronny Reagan. Reagan seldom went to any church until his presidential ambitions required it. Funny that for many Conservatives... REAGAN IS GOD!
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Fact Check: Obama makes questionable claim on Romney's auto bailout stance
by Joy Lin | October 23, 2012
In one of the most contentious exchanges of their final debate, President Obama and Mitt Romney clashed over the federal auto bailout of 2008, with the former accusing the latter of not supporting any forms of government assistance to auto companies.
"You were very clear that you would not provide government assistance to the U.S. auto companies, even if they went through bankruptcy," Obama said, going on the offensive. "You said that they could get it in the private marketplace. That wasn't true."
But Romney rejected the claim -- and he's got the op-ed he wrote to back him up.
"Under no circumstances would I do anything other than to help this industry get on its feet," Romney said, "And the idea that has been suggested that I would liquidate the industry, of course not."
In a 2008 op-ed entitled "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt," Romney did in fact call on the government to play a role in responding to the auto crisis but in the form of federal guarantees, not loans.
"The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk," Romney wrote in The New York Times editorial.
The dispute between the candidates boils down to whether or not -- as President Bush, and then President Obama believed -- government loans were necessary to save Detroit or whether -- as Romney argued -- private financing, backed by federal guarantees, would have been a wiser response.
Proponents of the government loans issued to the auto companies, however, say that credit was so tight during the economic crisis of 2008 that federal guarantees would not have freed up enough private capital to save General Motors and Chrysler.
~ Romney was wrong when he repeated a claim that our “Navy is smaller now than any time since 1917.” Actually, there are slightly more ships active now than at the low point under President George W. Bush.
~ Romney repeated his claim that the president undertook “an apology tour … criticizing America” after Obama became president. Obama called that “probably the biggest whopper that’s been told” during the entire campaign. And in fact, our own analysis, and that of other fact-checkers, found no “apology” in the president’s speeches.
~ Romney claimed credit for top scores by Massachusetts grade-schoolers while he was governor. But they tested at the top, or near it, before Romney took office.
~ Romney said the federal debt to “other people” is $16 trillion, which isn't correct. The debt owed to the public is $11 trillion, and the figure he gave includes money the government owes to itself.
~ One issue on which the two men no longer seem to disagree is pulling out all U.S. combat troops from Afghanistan by the end of 2014. Romney had previously criticized the president for setting a date, and later modified his position to say he agreed with the president’s timeline but would be guided by military commanders and events “on the ground.” This time, he dropped all qualifiers and said flatly, “[W]hen I’m president, we’ll make sure we bring our troops out by the end of 2014.” (Just One More Romney Flip-Flop)
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
"we’ll make sure we bring our troops out by the end of 2014.” that's one flip flop most of us happen to agree with. ~ Romney said the federal debt to “other people” is $16 trillion, which isn't correct. The debt owed to the public is $11 trillion, and the figure he gave includes money the government owes to itself. Come on Box the government has no money so who do you think is going to foot the bill. No apologies just a lot of bows to muslim leaders and telling the rest of the world how we abused them.
They are both dimwits!!! This country is a mess and neither of these jerks know how to dig us out of it!! We are doomed either way!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Well I would suspect if Iran bombs Pakistan, Pakistan will devastate them.
The question I was posing was - as President, would either Romney or Obama commit American troops or resources to aid the Pakistani's if attacked by Iran? Or do we only support and shed American blood in war's against the countries that allegedly threaten Israel?
...why isn't the question asked that way then? It should be asked 'would you support and commit troops to defend any country attacked by Iran'. I happen to agree with you, the U.S. government will justify an attack and/or invasion of Iran for any reason. The U.S. government will most likely attack Iran using a false flag attack to sell it to the American people. It will be another Gulf of Tonkin.
The first problem with the moderators question is that the premise assumes Iran is a nation looking to attack Israel or anybody else for that matter. There hasn't been an honest public debate whether Iran is a threat and why they believe they are a threat. The media has already determined that Iran is a threat for us. All good propagandist identify and demonize a common enemy for the public. That's the first lie. And second is, asking the question specific to Israel during a presidential debate is blatant pandering for the Jewish vote.
As far as the "last religious president", I would have to disagree with Box that it was Ronald Reagan. George W. Bush was quite religious and was criticized for that.
Furthermore, religiosity and church attendance is a hard thing to gauge correctly. For one thing, I remember seeing Mr. and Mrs. Reagan attending church services BEFORE he became president but do not wish to judge his religiosity because he attended church or judge others for not attending church.
Mr. Obama apparently attended Reverend Wright's church for about 20 years and - on one hand - was moved enough by the preaching to use a phrase from one sermon "The Audacity of Hope" as a title for one of his books but - on the other hand - somehow did not hear the incendiary, racist and anti-American messages contained in THAT same sermon and many others given by Rev. Wright.
Once elected president, it becomes extremely different for modern presidents to regularly attend church services -- so I would not judge the religiosity of a sitting president by his/her church attendance.
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
As far as the "last religious president", I would have to disagree with Box that it was Ronald Reagan. George W. Bush was quite religious and was criticized for that.
I actually thought that the last 'religious' pres was Carter.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
I actually thought that the last 'religious' pres was Carter.
DVOR & Bumbler need to pay attention... My actual post was: IMO, our least religious president was Ronny Reagan.
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith
Governor Romney appeared more presidential and cool-headed. Obama acted like an immature a** - certainly did not act like he was president. Hopefully, somebody will inform Obama that submarines are NOT new (they date back to the Civil War) and that bayonets are STILL used by the U.S. military. I wonder if he still refers to U.S. Marines as "corpsemen" and still thinks that the U.S. has 57 states ???????????
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"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground." Lyndon Baines Johnson
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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