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CICERO
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Some help with your question:
1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs6rp6X2XlI

and

http://bismarcktribune.com/new.....6f-0019bb2963f4.html

2. Anyone who sees a person or group as having the potential to be a terrorist.

LOL!!!  This guy's a potential terrorist!!! Hahahaha!!!
America spends more in defense than the rest of the world combined, and this theif and his 4 buddies anti-government opinions are a threat to America. Making them "potential terrorists".


THANKS FOR CLEARING THAT UP FOR ME BOX! LMAO


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LOL!!!  This guy's a potential terrorist!!! Hahahaha!!!
America spends more in defense than the rest of the world combined, and this theif and his 4 buddies anti-government opinions are a threat to America. Making them "potential terrorists".




Kinda like this innocent looking 27 year old terrorist huh:

...This Oklahoma terrorist killed 168 Americans, including 19 children under the age of 6.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Kinda like this innocent looking 27 year old terrorist huh:

...This Oklahoma terrorist killed 168 Americans, including 19 children under the age of 6.


Ya got me...They come in all ages, shapes and sizes.




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I believe that the folks who support what they call the "right" to kill unborn humans in the womb should be classified as terrorists.  Their way of thinking has left almost 50,000,000 Americans dead in the past 40 years.  

As for the rather ignorant comment made by Box that suggests that people who support the 2nd Amendment consider Iranians and people of color to be terrorists,  that comment is just more of the same blathering lunacy that we have heard from the extreme left for past half century or more.   Unfortunately, the extreme left has NOT been able to take to heart the words of Dr. Martin Luther King which called upon people to not judge others by the color of their skin or their ethnicity but rather by the content of their character.



George Amedore & Christian Klueg for NYS Senate 2016
Pete Vroman for State Assembly 2016[/size][/color]

"For this is what America is all about. It is the uncrossed desert and the unclimbed ridge. It is the star that is not reached and the harvest that is sleeping in the unplowed ground."
Lyndon Baines Johnson
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1. White terrorists are called “gunmen.” What does that even mean? A person with a gun?
Wouldn’t that be, like, everyone in the US? Other terrorists are called, like, “terrorists.”

2. White terrorists are “troubled loners.” Other terrorists are always suspected of being part
of a global plot, even when they are obviously troubled loners.

3. Doing a study on the danger of white terrorists at the Department of Homeland Security
will get you sidelined by angry white Congressmen. Doing studies on other kinds of terrorists
is a guaranteed promotion.

4. The family of a white terrorist is interviewed, weeping as they wonder where he went wrong.
The families of other terrorists are almost never interviewed.

5. White terrorists are part of a “fringe.” Other terrorists are apparently mainstream.

6. White terrorists are random events, like tornadoes. Other terrorists are long-running conspiracies.

7. White terrorists are never called “white.” But other terrorists are given ethnic affiliations.

8. Nobody thinks white terrorists are typical of white people. But other terrorists are considered
paragons of their societies.

9. White terrorists are alcoholics, addicts or mentally ill. Other terrorists are apparently
clean-living and perfectly sane.

10. There is nothing you can do about white terrorists. Gun control won’t stop them. No policy
you could make, no government program, could possibly have an impact on them. But
hundreds of billions of dollars must be spent on police and on the Department of Defense,
and on TSA, which must virtually strip search 60 million people a year, to deal with other terrorists.


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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1. White terrorists are called “gunmen.” What does that even mean? A person with a gun?
Wouldn’t that be, like, everyone in the US? Other terrorists are called, like, “terrorists.”

2. White terrorists are “troubled loners.” Other terrorists are always suspected of being part
of a global plot, even when they are obviously troubled loners.

3. Doing a study on the danger of white terrorists at the Department of Homeland Security
will get you sidelined by angry white Congressmen. Doing studies on other kinds of terrorists
is a guaranteed promotion.

4. The family of a white terrorist is interviewed, weeping as they wonder where he went wrong.
The families of other terrorists are almost never interviewed.

5. White terrorists are part of a “fringe.” Other terrorists are apparently mainstream.

6. White terrorists are random events, like tornadoes. Other terrorists are long-running conspiracies.

7. White terrorists are never called “white.” But other terrorists are given ethnic affiliations.

8. Nobody thinks white terrorists are typical of white people. But other terrorists are considered
paragons of their societies.

9. White terrorists are alcoholics, addicts or mentally ill. Other terrorists are apparently
clean-living and perfectly sane.

10. There is nothing you can do about white terrorists. Gun control won’t stop them. No policy
you could make, no government program, could possibly have an impact on them. But
hundreds of billions of dollars must be spent on police and on the Department of Defense,
and on TSA, which must virtually strip search 60 million people a year, to deal with other terrorists.


Where did you come up with this blather?  Are you drinking what Ira's drinking?  You are catching up to Ira on the bigoted race rants.  

Terrorist is a relatively new word used by government to stop small groups of dissenters from becoming a popular movement.  As long as there are people that continue to believe the state can legitimately threaten people's liberty and commit violence against people, the word terrorist will be used against people that do not believe the government has that authority.

People used to be called rebels when they questioned the legitimacy of the government, back when a popular rebellion was a signal to the government should change policy to reflect the peoples demands - for good or bad.  Now, talks of rebellion or questioning the legitimacy of an unresponsive government are considered terrorism and squashed before the idea spreads.

Box would rather empower the government to commit acts of terrorism on his behalf.  Though my home and property are not government institutions, I am threatened with imprisonment or loss of my shelter if I do not continue to pay the ransom money.


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According to Cicero, Timothy  McVeigh was NOT a "TERRORIST"... he was merely leading a "POPULAR REBELLION".

In Cicero's world, McVeigh is a hero!  Good thing McVeigh used a bomb instead of a Predator Drone to kill his
168 victims 'oppressors'.
I wonder what part those 19 6year-olds played in his oppression by his government?


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According to Cicero, Timothy  McVeigh was NOT a "TERRORIST"... he was merely leading a "POPULAR REBELLION".

In Cicero's world, McVeigh is a hero!  Good thing McVeigh used a bomb instead of a Predator Drone to kill his
168 victims 'oppressors'.
I wonder what part those 19 6year-olds played in his oppression by his government?


We cheer when foreigners in the Middle East rebel against their oppressive governments propped up by the U.S. and the west, and at the same time we act shocked when people in America act out when they feel oppressed the government.  The United States government that imprisons more of their citizens than any other nation on earth. Statistically the most imprisoned and possibly the one of the most violent.

I never said McVeigh is a hero...But I do understand that it is human nature to not want to be controlled by using threats of violence.  You think McVeigh was created in a vacuum, or just a random nut job.  He no longer wanted to be compliant.  He was the pit bull that didn't like being poked in the cage.  Again, I'm not saying I agree with his reaction or condone it, but, I understand that is how some of the people in a population of 300 million will react to the constant threats of violence.


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We cheer when foreigners in the Middle East rebel against their oppressive governments propped up by the U.S. and the west, and at the same time we act shocked when people in America act out when they feel oppressed the government.  The United States government that imprisons more of their citizens than any other nation on earth. Statistically the most imprisoned and possibly the one of the most violent.

I never said McVeigh is a hero...But I do understand that it is human nature to not want to be controlled by using threats of violence.  You think McVeigh was created in a vacuum, or just a random nut job.  He no longer wanted to be compliant.  He was the pit bull that didn't like being poked in the cage.  Again, I'm not saying I agree with his reaction or condone it, but, I understand that is how some of the people in a population of 300 million will react to the constant threats of violence.


You post  that Timothy McVeigh was a VICTIM and those 19 6 year-olds were his OPPRESSORS.

Those 19 little 6 year-olds got what was coming to them.  That'll teach em!



The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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You post  that Timothy McVeigh was a VICTIM and those 19 6 year-olds were his OPPRESSORS.

Those 19 little 6 year-olds got what was coming to them.  That'll teach em!



What were those 17 children who died in Waco to you, were they terrorist or just collateral damage.


"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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What were those 17 children who died in Waco to you, were they terrorist or just collateral damage.


Timothy McVeigh's intent was to blow up that building and kill as many people as possible.  The people he
killed weren't his oppressors, or involved in his perceived oppression in any way.
McVeigh INTENDED TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE... THAT WAS HIS MISSION FROM THE VERY START.

IMO, McVeigh, or his bombing has nothing to do with The wackos at Waco.

Officials in Waco INTENDED TO SERVE A SEARCH WARRANT, not kill people.  While serving that warrant
they came under fire from inside the house and a gun battle ensued.

For those on this board who believe in "The Rule Of Law", the FBI was within their rights to serve a warrant,
and the wackos of Waco had other means to address the warrant if they felt that they were being treated
illegally.

What about you Henry?  Do you consider Timothy McVeigh to be a VICTIM and those 19 6 year-olds were
his OPPRESSORS?


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You post  that Timothy McVeigh was a VICTIM and those 19 6 year-olds were his OPPRESSORS.

Those 19 little 6 year-olds got what was coming to them.  That'll teach em!



ahhhh...Nevermind, you have to make statements I never made.  No sense going on with irrational bigots.


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1. White terrorists are called “gunmen.” What does that even mean? A person with a gun?
Wouldn’t that be, like, everyone in the US? Other terrorists are called, like, “terrorists.”

2. White terrorists are “troubled loners.” Other terrorists are always suspected of being part
of a global plot, even when they are obviously troubled loners.

3. Doing a study on the danger of white terrorists at the Department of Homeland Security
will get you sidelined by angry white Congressmen. Doing studies on other kinds of terrorists
is a guaranteed promotion.

4. The family of a white terrorist is interviewed, weeping as they wonder where he went wrong.
The families of other terrorists are almost never interviewed.

5. White terrorists are part of a “fringe.” Other terrorists are apparently mainstream.

6. White terrorists are random events, like tornadoes. Other terrorists are long-running conspiracies.

7. White terrorists are never called “white.” But other terrorists are given ethnic affiliations.

8. Nobody thinks white terrorists are typical of white people. But other terrorists are considered
paragons of their societies.

9. White terrorists are alcoholics, addicts or mentally ill. Other terrorists are apparently
clean-living and perfectly sane.

10. There is nothing you can do about white terrorists. Gun control won’t stop them. No policy
you could make, no government program, could possibly have an impact on them. But
hundreds of billions of dollars must be spent on police and on the Department of Defense,
and on TSA, which must virtually strip search 60 million people a year, to deal with other terrorists.


They (whoever they are) love to connect any one outside the box (No pun intended) to the "fringe".
Prefer anything alternative to "established norms"  a label will be applied.
Fundemenatalist, Extremist, Racist, the colors, pick one...libertard...
You don't know Tim Mcveigh you only know what you were told.
And your faith makes it so.
Your belief in invisible Authority is more dangerous than any so called underwear bomber,
OR old beared guy on  a kidney machine in a cave running a sophisticated network of boxcutter terroists.

The Plantatation owners will go to great length to keep all the biddies in the box.


We didnt come this far to get this far.
   random 12 year old


A slave is someone that waits for someone else to free him.
                    Ezra Pound
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IMO, McVeigh, or his bombing has nothing to do with The wackos at Waco.

?


I disagree, he was motivated by what he thought was tyrannical actions by his government as Waco and Ruby Ridge. Some want to deny that because then the issue will have to be addressed that our government has done wrong. Its easier to just say oh he was a wacko or they were a cult, like doing that somehow erases the wrong doing of the other side.



"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

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I disagree, he was motivated by what he thought was tyrannical actions by his government as Waco and Ruby Ridge. Some want to deny that because then the issue will have to be addressed that our government has done wrong. Its easier to just say oh he was a wacko or they were a cult, like doing that somehow erases the wrong doing of the other side.



Convicted criminal/terrorist Timothy McVeigh had no final words before being executed by lethal injection on June 11, 2001 in Indiana. McVeigh did leave a handwritten statement quoting a poem by British poet William Ernest Henley. The poem ends with the lines
"I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul."

Timothy McVeigh is best known as the Oklahoma City bomber and was convicted of setting the bomb which killed 149 adults and 19 children at the federal building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma on April 19, 1995.

McVeigh admitted to investigators after his capture, that he was angry at the federal government for the way they treated white separatist Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho in 1992 and with David Koresh and the Branch Davidians at Waco, Texas, in 1993.

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