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Box A Rox
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"Historically it has been the Democrats, not the Republicans, who were viewed as a loose collection
of interest groups rather than a cohesive movement. (Hence Will Rogers famous joke: 'I am not a
member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.')
If you went to the parties' conventions, it was clear from the delegate demographics that the GOP
is still more culturally cohesive than the Democrats. Republicans are basically one group -- suburban
and rural white Christians who are mostly middle class and wealthy
-- while Democrats are a
disparate bunch."
"But ideologically, and in terms of their economic interests, the Democrats are actually more unified."

(The Economist)
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/09/mitt-romney-and-republicans?fsrc=scn/ob


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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unified .....with what description ......
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Quoted from Box A Rox
"Historically it has been the Democrats, not the Republicans, who were viewed as a loose collection
of interest groups rather than a cohesive movement. (Hence Will Rogers famous joke: 'I am not a
member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.')
If you went to the parties' conventions, it was clear from the delegate demographics that the GOP
is still more culturally cohesive than the Democrats. Republicans are basically one group -- suburban
and rural white Christians who are mostly middle class and wealthy
-- while Democrats are a
disparate bunch."
"But ideologically, and in terms of their economic interests, the Democrats are actually more unified."

(The Economist)
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/09/mitt-romney-and-republicans?fsrc=scn/ob

In truth, both parties share the same economic interest...spending more government money than what is taken in... The dems spend it on social programs, and pubs spend it on wars and tax breaks.
The sad part is the result will be the same... bankruptcy.


"Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock out the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it is victorious." - Author Unknown
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unified .....with what description ......


As posted...
"But ideologically, and in terms of their economic interests"


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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In truth, both parties share the same economic interest...spending more government money than what is taken in... The dems spend it on social programs, and pubs spend it on wars and tax breaks.
The sad part is the result will be the same... bankruptcy.


So far, there have been only two presidents to drive the US economy into the ditch...
Hoover (Republican) in 1929
and
G Worst Bush (Republican) in 2007.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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So far, there have been only two presidents to drive the US economy into the ditch...
Hoover (Republican) in 1929
and
G Worst Bush (Republican) in 2007.


For the Democratic successors of these Presidents, Roosevelt did nothing... after a BRIEF growth period, the economy tanked again in 1937. ONLY WWII manufacturing and other related activity brought us out of the depression, NOT FDR.
And Obama has spent a ton of money, but with not to show for it...except debt.

And I guess you forgot those lovely 18% mortgage rates, and 18% inflation during the Carter years....ahhh, great times!


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I guess you forgot those lovely 18% mortgage rates, and 18% inflation during the Carter years....ahhh, great times!


Many presidents have had hard economic times... Reagan had 10% unemployment... Carter had inflation etc.
But only two US presidents in modern times have presided over a total economic meltdown...
Hoover & GW Bush.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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Many presidents have had hard economic times... Reagan had 10% unemployment... Carter had inflation etc.
But only two US presidents in modern times have presided over a total economic meltdown...
Hoover & GW Bush.


It took us 18 months to come out of the Bush recession with positive GDP, it took 14 months to come out the Carter Recession with Positive GDP.  Since 1900, there have been THREE recessions that have taken longer to emerge from:
http://www.tradersnarrative.com/length-of-us-recessions-historical-chart-2418.html

Both parties have overblown this recession for political gain. Talking about Living in the "worst ever" of times , especially in this internet driven, instant communication age is not uncommon...but the statistics don't back it up.
Sandra Fluke , whining about her inability to pay for $20 worth of contraceptives while having no problem paying her cell phone bill is just an example of the exaggeration that we often see. With that said, I'm 100% behind free contraception for all, but it was the easiest example of excuse-ism I could come up with.



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It took us 18 months to come out of the Bush recession with positive GDP, it took 14 months to come out the Carter Recession with Positive GDP.  Since 1900, there have been THREE recessions that have taken longer to emerge from:
http://www.tradersnarrative.com/length-of-us-recessions-historical-chart-2418.html

Both parties have overblown this recession for political gain. Talking about Living in the "worst ever" of times , especially in this internet driven, instant communication age is not uncommon...but the statistics don't back it up.
Sandra Fluke , whining about her inability to pay for $20 worth of contraceptives while having no problem paying her cell phone bill is just an example of the exaggeration that we often see. With that said, I'm 100% behind free contraception for all, but it was the easiest example of excuse-ism I could come up with.


IMO, Sandra Fluke and many other issues are irrelevant to the Bush Economic Meltdown.  This was no
ordinary blip on the stock market or a temporary recession trend... It almost equaled the Great Depression
and was a "global event".  
Had steps not been taken (both Bush & Obama) in time to stabilize we might have equaled the Great Depression.

Check out the book, "Too Big to Fail: The Inside Story of How Wall Street and Washington Fought to
Save the Financial System---and Themselves"

And
"Too Big To Fail" (a HBO dramatization of the event)


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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As posted...
"But ideologically, and in terms of their economic interests"


THEN THEY SHOULD GROW SOME BALLS, MAKE A FLAT TAX AND STOP CALLING OUT THE POOR DUDES AS IF THEY
WERE MORE EQUAL, AND THEY SHOULD DONATE ALL THEIR WEALTH TO THE POOR DUDES....

the DEMS aren't so shiny....they just use different rhetoric that actually fixes nothing and still hides their own
wealth of which they use to rub elbows with the REPS at the same country clubs....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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A flat tax with no exemptions everyone pays their fair share.
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More cut and paste from the uneducated.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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For the Democratic successors of these Presidents, Roosevelt did nothing... after a BRIEF growth period, the economy tanked again in 1937. ONLY WWII manufacturing and other related activity brought us out of the depression, NOT FDR.
And Obama has spent a ton of money, but with not to show for it...except debt.

And I guess you forgot those lovely 18% mortgage rates, and 18% inflation during the Carter years....ahhh, great times!


Yet he still managed to keep the debt and deficits under control.

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Quoted from Shadow
A flat tax with no exemptions everyone pays their fair share.


Everyone.

I agree.

Sales tax on the stock market.

Make businesses start paying sales taxes.

No thruway tolls.

One general tax fund.

No property taxes.

Federal sales tax, state sales tax and local sales tax.

Every dollar spent.

No more tax exemptions for corporations that can hide profits.

No exemptions for anyone, not social security recipients, not welfare clients.

No fukcing IRS.

No metroplex.

No renewable registrations.

No hunting or fishing licenses.

No tax exempt status for non profits or charities.




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More cut and paste from the uneducated.


WOW! Thanks for sharing Graham... You've really added a lot to the discussion.  


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
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